XD45 7,124 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) re NFA changes. Edited January 7, 2016 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Heh I like the word final being used with anything from that gang. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 So what I am gathering from this is it will be easier for the individual but harder for the trust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Not really harder, just more annoying hoops to get everyone on the Trust to jump through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 The ATF does not like it when they have difficulty determining what is in a trust. With our current gun registration (4473), a paper trail exists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 The trust used to be the less of a hassle way to go but now it seems to be the individual way is better. I think the trust is only beneficial if you have someone out of state you can list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Guys. The ATF lacks the power to issue Rulings. They can only issue opinions. The difference matters. Their last proposed change was rejected too. That rejected proposal included pretty much the same stuff, and was shot down partly due to political opposition and partly because the underlying statute provided no authority to support the proposed regulation. This one will have the same problems. Yes you want to tell your legislators you oppose this. No you don't have to pull a chicken little. They failed last time. We can make sure they fail this time too. The trust used to be the less of a hassle way to go but now it seems to be the individual way is better. I think the trust is only beneficial if you have someone out of state you can list. The trust still has all that ability. Nothing has changed. BATFE has only said : "we would like these changes". Surely you can understand the difference. Trusts are still the way to go by a long shot, and for more reasons than just CLEO sign off. You still have generation skipping, multiple beneficiaries, increased privacy, potential to delay transfer that might require forfeit for a hundred years or so..... And a way to give instructions on how to handle the stuff when you aren't able to in one tidy place. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 John Culberson, R-Texas is on it. I love Texas. John Culberson, R-Texas, who chairs a key appropriations panel, warned Lynch on Monday that he would “use every tool at my disposal to immediately restrict” DOJ funding if the department proceeds with “new restrictions on our Constitutional rights.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/05/obama-executive-action-on-guns-to-require-background-checks-for-more-sales.html 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Culberson is great but that's about the obuttfuckers EO not the atf ruling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/01/foghorn/breaking-atf-issues-final-ruling-on-nfa-trusts-requires-fingerprints-but-eliminates-cleo-sign-off/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm gonna issue a ruling, I don't give two fawks what they have to say.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Easy to not give a fuck when it's not you being fucked. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I am going to go into a holding pattern until after the election in November. This process may ultimately get deleted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ It will not take effect until 180 days after publication in the Federal Registry so there is still time to purchase items under the existing rules and more reason than ever to create your Gun Trust now. So if you want to use a trust to buy nfa items you have time to do so without the "responsible person" forms and fingerprint cards. I think it's time to get off the fence and file a form 1 on an AR lower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I got both my former 1's back to me in 58 days. Now is the time to take advantage of fast processing times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 When was that? Current wait time seems to be about 4 months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 I imagine wait time will be substantial due to the rush to beat the change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Who is this ATF you speak of? ...Unless you mean BATFE. They don't DESERVE to be a 3 letter agency. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Don't worry I heard Trump is going to eliminate the NFA LOL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Somehow, I can't help but think he would expand it, but put in a new window which allows more business for large contractors, and kills small manufacturers. Government favoring one business to the expense of the competition has always been his model. I'd hope for another Reagan, but then the Hughes amendment.... I started this election cycle hoping that for once the party endorced guy wouldn't be clown like McCain or Dole that I could not vote for, and this time it isn't the party putting up a shameful candidate. It's discouraging. It's also discouraging that people here still seem to not understand the authority structure of regulatory agencies and keep talking about published proposals as though they were final court rulings or statutes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 It's even more discouraging that government agencies have been given so much power that their opinions now carry the weight of law. People are in prison right now for violating the opinion of a bureaucrat. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I'm all for flipping the 'switch in time' and firing a few of the nine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 July 13, 2016 That is the effective date for the NFA infringement chains to tighten. If you plan to use a trust to buy/build an nfa item, have it pending before that date to avoid the new "reasonable restrictions". http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/proposed-atf-trust-regulation 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 thanks. I gots to earn money and get my stamp sent in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 And it is especially discouraging when a alphabet soup Illegal Federal Agency (10th Amendment) also has death squad swat teams ready, waiting, eager and willing to commit murder on those brave patriots who have the audacity to support and defend the US Constitution. This is our reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I agree. However one practical way to swing this is to get enough people personally exposed to the hassle and the fun, and the absurdity of it all. That means buy NFA toys and let as many people as you can play with them. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Excellent suggestion GunFun and thank you. Our NFA "Trigger Pak" Inland USGI M1-M2 Carbine now has been shot by about a dozen or so selected guests consisting of extended family and close long term friends. All of them are very firearm literate but had never fired a automatic rifle. Smiles, shit and giggles! In one afternoon we burned through one (1) case of Sellet And Bellor (sp?) factory Carbine ammo. That is 500 rounds. All in about 3-4 hours! Yep! Four (4) stoppages. Shitty factory ammo. Very expensive but very satisfying Just stopped to oil up the little girl. Now they all want to get their select fire toys. This is bound to drive up the price of transferable NFA stuff. We also had cans out on our various .22rf short barreled stuff and pistols. They are now keen on cans too. Very quiet. All OR State, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. Edit; The four (4) stoppages were traced to over length brass. 1.315" Dangerously over length. The little auto rifle M2 Carbine did what it was supposed to, (Thank Gawd For Interlock Safety Systems on the M2) and the rifle bolt refused to lock up the long cases. The bolt stopped locking. The slide did not continue forward. The trip lever did not trip the disconnector. The disconnector did not trip the sear. The hammer did not drop. Fortunately. Shitty factory ammo. We do take care to make sure all the parts were in spec and did what they were supposed to. Glad we do. All Oregon State, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. We are strongly considering hand loading for the M2 Carbine. Not so much a cost consideration but the need to make sure the cases are within safe spec. Probably better hand loaded ammo also compared to the shitty factory stuff. Edit concluded. Edited February 8, 2016 by HB of CJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE NEW GUY 113 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 July 13, 2016 That is the effective date for the NFA infringement chains to tighten. If you plan to use a trust to buy/build an nfa item, have it pending before that date to avoid the new "reasonable restrictions". http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/proposed-atf-trust-regulation ARE YOU SURE YOU MEAN 2016 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mixednuttz 123 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Yep. The race is on now. Just sent in forms to SBR two lowers, two suppressors are on the way to my dealer. All in the course of a week. Just made $800 off me. All to beat the cut off date. Pretty sure many others are doing the exact same thing as I type this. I'm done buying gun stuff for the year already. (Maybe even burned next year's funds too) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted June 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 July 13, 2016 That is the effective date for the NFA infringement chains to tighten. If you plan to use a trust to buy/build an nfa item, have it pending before that date to avoid the new "reasonable restrictions". http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/proposed-atf-trust-regulation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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