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I got my presents to myself on Christmas eve. No pics... but the postman delivered three approved Form 1s yesterday. It's going to be a fun new year.

FYI - For those of you in the Tampa area, On Point firearms expects to have a couple of samples (already sold their allotment) that they will be providing for demo purposes at the St Pete Police Pistol Range in early '08. If you're on their contact list and local, they invite you to the meet & greet and let you shoot it. Typically, the fee is $20 when they do these events. So if you're interested... it's a cheap way to see and feel it prior to ordering.

Most of your questions can be answered 8 sections up in the 922r Compliance section Saiga 922r Compliance / THE LAW

You don't have to parkerize... BUT If you have the means to get it parked and then Molycoated... DO IT. You'll never regret having the parkerizing. It makes the Duracoat or Moly stick much better and will make the gun finish damn near last forever. I parked and moly'd an AK (regular shooter) about 13 years ago... there are a couple of scratches, but other than that it looks new. You'll never regret getting it parked first... but I can't say the opposite.

I can't take credit for knowing this information this fast... it was posted at 5:39pm on another thread on this board. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=21548

Classic Arms? Classic Arms

Paladin - Excellent summary of the advantages disadvantages of the 6.5 and 6.8 My personal opinion is that Alexander Arms is going to lose this battle with their 6.5 Grendel due to their lack of willingness to push it as the 'open' standard. A very good friend for mine reseached the 6.5 and 6.8 for several months. Money wasn't an issue per se, but in the end he went with 6.8 because of the sheer availability of 6.8 barrels/bolts. For the exact barrel he wanted - stainless, fluted, Special Purpose profle, with his desired thread pattern... he could find one off the shelf in 6.8. The same ba

If you're using U.S. FCG (3 parts) and U.S. furniture (3 parts) you should be fine. Also... you're making your own U.S. receiver as well. You'll have more than enough U.S. parts to get you imported parts count 10 or below.

I'm curious what their minimum shipping charge is, as I'm considering buying a Polychoke from them. Can you elaborate?

Here's the pics you wanted. For the second pic (the measurements), you'll need to open the original image to view it properly. Also, you'll note that original AWB 12Cs don't have BHO or the pistol grip plate. Personally... I'd do what you are doing and keep them as they (IMHO) should have been there in the original design. You're conversion is looking great so far.

Great!! I guess that means I can biuld several SBS saiga's to sell without a manufacturers license. Save's me like $3000.00 a year ? How do think many of the machineguns prior to 1986 were built. Individuals paid $200 to manufacture them on a Form 1. Later, someone else paid $200 to buy them on a Form 3 or Form 4. So in short, YES... if you're stupid enough to buy a Saiga 12, pay $200 per Saiga 12 to manufacture them into an SBS and then try to sell them for to other people to recoup your costs... go right ahead. Keep in mind that all the Class 2 manufacturers DON'T pay the $20

You're going love the original configuration... the 12Cs are great. FYI - Two quick things for you: 1. It appears that you're missing the retaining clip that holds the front latch pin in the receiver. 2. Your modified trigger guard is inconsistent with the shape of an original 12C. I am not saying this to be critical, I just want to give you a head's up (if needed) prior to getting knee deep in your conversion and finding out later. If you already know these things, please disregard this post.

No, just buy one from a C2 that manufactures their own AR lowers. They already have to engrave the information... regardless of whether it is NFA or not. Check out a Colt SBR... you'll see that it is the same identification marking as a non-NFA rifle. No additional NFA markings are necessary because all the marks are already on it... because they manufactured it. If you're going to have it engraved, just do it yourself. I just have an engraver engrave my information on three receivers while I waited. I'm still waiting on the Form1s to get back from the ATF... so the firearms aren't even SB

For and AR series weapon, I've never seen the NFA manufacturer's information on the upper. You can post the question on a couple boards, but your best bet may be to write the ATFE Technology Branch and ask them if the upper is an acceptable location for NFA manufacturer markings (other than the the serial number) on an AR series firearm. I doubt it would be acceptable on an AR due to it's ability to be readily revoved... but I can't say 100% that they don't allow it. Also, uppers aren't that much cheaper than some lowers... so if you're worried about destroying the value of parts... it won

When did the ATF change this? Unlike machingeguns which are 'once a machinegun always a machinegun'... SBRs by definition require a barrel less than 16" or an overall lenght of less than 26". If you removed the barrel (no barrel) or add a 16"+ barrel... you used to be able to send a letter to the ATF And have the SBR removed from the NFA registry. Of course... you could never re-attach a short barrel again, but this enabled the sale of the receiver without NFA paperwork. Hell, this was even one of the recommended solutions FROM THE ATF regarding not registering the USASs and Streetsweepers

Have any of you ordered from Saigastock.com? If yes, how was your experience?

Over the past few years, I've read a number of posts regarding the reliablility of different modifications to the gas ports, barrels and springs. In short, I will be cutting my barrel down to 13". From what I've read, this should be long enough to leave the gas block in the original location by opening up the gas ports and or adding and fourth (and potentially fifth) port if necessary. What I would like to get from you RKIs is: 1. Information from anyone currently running a 13" barrel - your mods and tips. 2. A link to the C&S Metall Werkes modification to the gas system for a 12

For clarification... nalioth is meaning that if the receiver/firearm is papered and 4473'd as a rifle and assembled as a rifle FIRST, then it will always and forevermore be a rifle. If you have a pistol and assemble it into a rifle (adding 16+" barrel then stock), it can be reassembled back into a pistol.

The only way we're going to see 'reasonably' priced machineguns (in the USA) is: 1. Get congress and the President to repeal 922(o)... I expect the Rapture to occur before they vote new machinegun manufacture for individuals 2. Get a case to SCOTUS and get 922(o) repealed... a remote - but the most likely- scenario for new machinegun manufacture 3. Make one illegally... and risk the 10 years in jail and never legally owning any guns again Remember... the antigunners didn't prohibit you from owning and purchasing machineguns.... just new, affordable ones.

It's actually pretty simple. All imported, registered machineguns prior to 1968 GCA can be transferred to individuals and dealers. After the GCA took effect, dealers could purchase imported machineguns and keep them after they gave up their SOT licenses... but these post '68 machineguns can only be purchased by a SOT holder - individuals cannot purchase these post '68 machineguns. The imported machineguns are commonly known as pre-86 dealer samples. Machineguns manufactured after the 1986 FOPA (domestic or imported) cannot be owned by anyone without an SOT. They can be purchased by an SOT

I think the optic depends on your stock type and abilitiy to get a good, quick sight picture. For the ARFX stock from ACE, I needed one fairly low so I went with a micro TruGlo. It basically similar to the Doctor red dots. With the side mount, I can remove it in about 5 seconds if I need the iron sights. The only problem with the stock setup is that the iron sights are difficult for me to get a sight picture because they are too low.

The primary difference is that an original 12C doesn't require conversion, nor does it require US parts to be 922r compliant. During the AWB, an officer could own a 12C as long as his department let him purchase one for official use. Upon his retirement, he could keep the 12C. As such, when the ATF made the announcement that restricted guns marked LEO during the ban could be owned and sold to civilians... the 12C falls under this exemption because the the ATF did not distinguish between domestic and imported LEO firearms. Their subsequent communications via response letters from the Technology

If you look at a factory S12 hammer, you'll note that the very tip is somewhat angled... not just radiused like a G2 trigger. This angled corner sits lower than the radiused G2s. If you simply file the same angle on your G2s, you should find that the bolt carrier will clear much easier and not 'stick'.

Thanks tritium. While I'm on this topic... I may as well as if anyone has used the importer's information in 4a. The reason I ask is that I have a Romak 5.45 AK that has no manufacturer information, only the importer. If I SBR it, I'm guessing that the importer is acceptable given limited info?

Although I have several NFA items, I have never filled out a Form 1 to manufacture an SBS out of an IMPORTED shotgun. My question, What information do you put in section 4a? Is it the importer's information or "Izhmash, Russian" or both?