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What's funny is that when I read the law it says not to buy ProMag 12 round drums but you're fine with MD Arms 20 round drums since it says specifically 12 rounds not 12 or more rounds. Bizarre.

For some reason I just found that funny. I usually don't laugh out loud by myself but this certainly did it.

For example, Ammo Man may still have 1000 round cases of Wolf MC HP for $219 delivered.

Well I submitted my comments yesterday evening. They came in at a little over 2 pages single spaced. But in all I thought they were concise and to the point. I also sent brief messages about this study to my representative and one of my senators.

MD20 counts. 2nd question down: https://www.mdarms.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=6&zenid=l9t8dpqegh6jtrc2t12p34bf70

You might be better off to wait. If you're interested in the mags you could offer him a few bucks for them. 136mm!?!? That's almost 5.4". Ouch. The papers that came with my 7.62x39 said something like 72 or 73 mm which I didn't think was terrible for a $340 rifle. If I were you I would wait but if you really want it now go for it. Just make sure you won't have buyers regret.

Even more awesome than the Tromix charging handle in these pics is the one S12 with Russian magwell and 8 round magwell mag then the second S12 with a factory 8. Nice!

The whole Wal Mart thing smacks of Napolitano's creepy "If you see something, say something." Something is fishy here. He hasn't been charged with anything yet a lot of personal property was seized/confiscated. Will he get it back?

I'm reading "Christianity and War" which is a collection of essays and quite thought provoking.

I think Tom from CGW was selling one of those here on the forum in the last year, year and a half.

You are fine with the Taiwanese 5 rounders as those are still considered "sporting."

I may be tarred and feathered for this but I kindof like the look of it unconverted with that stock. I put in my order a couple of days ago and am having trouble getting an invoice. I drop alittle dough on it....if its not rediculous. Just out of curiosity. What is the price on one of those? It says contact to order but I feel a little funny calling them up since I have no real intention of ordering one.

Izhmash helps us out a bit by constantly referring to Saiga rifles as "hunting carbines." Does it say that on the Saiga shotgun manuals? I can't remember but the ATF study did say something about literature concerning the weapons.

True but I think the key here is that it can't come into the country with a flashlight mount, or rail systems or VFGs. Stupid yes, but the S12 comes with a traditional "hunting style" stock set and thus as imported it is no different than a Beretta A400. Someone could take that A400 and mod the crap at out of it and make it 922r compliant to have it in a more traditional "military style" look. Because the A400 could be modded in that way didn't stop it from being imported last year.

"Little advantage to the sportsman." I am sure that is the answer. That along with VFGs. You may think it gives you an advantage while hunting or shooting clays but that is not considered a good enough reason. Question: Do they want to hear from us or just from those in the affected industries (ie, the forum sponsors and others in the manufacturing/customization industry)? Just curious before I give them my email address with some feedback (though I guess I could create a special email address specifically for that purpose).

If they try, K-Var will call Harry Reid and everything will be OK.

I read the whole thing. I didn't get the sense that anything in there could be used against the Saiga 12 (or 20). The availability of Mike's drums is for once they're here. Plus, as was the case before, adding a drum to a S12 means you need to be 922r compliant. ETA: In light of the above post I wanted to note that I'm not particularly concerned with the mention of the ability to accept large capacity magazines. If they went down that road it would mean the end of Saigas (both shotguns and rifles), WASRs (they are modified once here to accept standard AK mags), Glocks (33 or 22 rounders),

For those of us without cable and thus access to the Discovery Channel, will it be available for online viewing either in real time or after the fact?

There is no mag cap in Ohio. I have many >10 rounders in Ohio at this moment.

Heck they could simply be recognizing shooting sports as sporting. Remember they allowed temporary Importing of shotguns for a sporting event not even a year ago. Less doom and gloom until something bad happens. OK? Vepr-12s allowed over for shooting event I'm going to echo what I said in the other thread on this topic. We need to wait to see what the actual ruling is. There is no sense getting worked up when we don't know about what to be worked up. This reminds me of a time my mom sent me an internet forward. She was really worked up and upset. I looked into it and it turne

This ruling is different from the one in the "Uh Oh..." thread and does not concern the S12. The Monday ruling could but remains to be seen. Still BS but it does not affect the S12.

I'm trying not to get too worked up over this until we actually hear what it is all about. Getting angry and finger pointing or saying "I told you so" at this point does no good. At least clarification will come on Monday. Regardless of what they say, it is still all crap. This is what comes of an overly powerful executive branch of government.

I believe Palmetto State Armory still has some in stock for normal prices.

You know, for a site like CNN, 58% to 42% isn't that shabby. I bet on at Fox News the results would look a little different.

Thanks for mentioning that. Here is what makes a S12 non-sporting (from the 922r section of this website) which confirms what Bob says: a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following: • 1) a folding or telescoping stock; • 2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; • 3) a fixed magazine in excess of five rounds; • 4) and an ability to accept a detachable magazine. Its the sporting configuration not imported configuration that is the key. So adding a US made wood stock set to your fresh out of the box S12 does not requir