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  1. Hey folks, figured I'd start a thread that wasn't just for grips and wasn't an open ended invitation for custom furniture requests. Please keep custom requests to the Custom Furniture II thread. This is for items that I have available for sale. I'll try to update this thread with new items instead of making new threads too often. For a slow start, I have these two handguards available. Both are made from beech, the original Saiga wood, and smooth out to a beautiful surface that makes you almost not want to put finish on them. These are unfinished, ready for you to customize. You could call this the Super Sporter Schnabel Saiga handguard. Made for the S-12 and adaptable to the S-20, this handguard is the result of some miraculous experimentation. A few things aren't perfect about it, mainly internal and unnoticeable, so it's going as a second. Part of why I experimented on it to begin with. $40 and a bargain if you ask me. SOLD! Next is another experiment, this one with less impressive results. An AKM style lower handguard for the S-12. Lower section extends to mount to the original handguard screw. I had a plan for a matching wooden upper handguard, but that didn't work out. Use this lower handguard alone or improvise your own upper handguard per some nice innovations by forum members that may or may not interfere with the sites. A few parts are roughly sanded, and I figured it wasn't worth a great deal of effort to finish. Your baby from here. $25 Shipping is $5 flat on any order with just handguards and grips, $8 if it includes at least one buttstock. I cannot take returns, but can provide honest answers to your questions before buying. More furniture is in progress and will be available soon, though I am of course giving priority to completing prepaid orders.
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    Anyone got a response from BattleRifleG3

    I am still alive. I am not currently active in stock making. Whether or not to resume is something I continue to think about.
  3. After much talk, here is the overview of my analysis of the Saiga-100 in 30-06. This will point out the differences between the Saiga 100s and other Saigas, as well as how they achieved to make the AK rifle, designed for the intermediate power 7.62x39mm, in a form that uses the great all-American long action hunting round of the century. The first question: how did they manage to fit 30-06 in this rifle? The answer: Ingeniously, and using the last remaining space inside the regular AK receiver. That's right folks, just as I had suspected, the Saiga 30-06 is built on the same length receiver as all other Saigas and Euro pattern stamped AKMs. What they did was move the rear of the mag well as absolutely far back as they possibly could. Those of you with a Saiga-308 may notice that the post accross the receiver is farther back than an AK in the regular chamberings. The hammer of the S-308 is carved away slightly to clear this post, and adding a US FCG will require the same mod by the owner. This is no problem for a person doing the rest of the mods already. In my conversion of a Saiga-308 to use G3 mags without modifying the trunion, I found that the only way I could fit a rectangular shaped mag in the receiver was to move the mag well back and remove the cross post. I compensated structurally by adding reinforcements to the mag adaptor. I observed early on that if someone used a mag with all the innovations of the S-308 mag but the length of the 30-06, they could rechamber a Saiga to 30-06 the same way. This is exactly what the Russians did. I was expecting to see a receiver reinforced with a machined bracket of some sort instead of the cross post, but what they did was move the post back so that it is practically above the hammer. In order to still strike the firing pin, this hammer had a pretty deep notch to clear the receiver post. With the magazine practically back against the hammer, this is clearly the absolute limit to which the AK-100 receiver can be stretched without lengthening the receiver, moving the positions of the FCG, and lengthening the bolt. As it is, the Saiga-100's bolt and carrier are the same length and the bolt lugs and faces are the same type as the Saiga-308. Except for headspacing issues, I would say a Saiga-308 bolt would be a drop in replacement for a Saiga 30-06. The gas system also is the same length as the other AK-100s, and has the same type of removeable gas tube. I would suspect that any Saiga gas tube would drop in, though I haven't tried it yet. Since I don't think a post can have unlimited image codes, we'll go to the next post to cover the distinctive differences between the Saiga-100 and the other Saigas.
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    Saiga Sporter Wood Stock

    Here is where I stand: I have avoided discussions related to stockmaking on this forum because I was not able to function as a business member due to limited sales volume. "Inactive" is the best term to describe my current stockmaking status. That is the result of the combination of professional and family commitments. I describe myself as "inactive" and not "closed" because nothing is in stone. Any number of changes could cause me to "re-activate". It was a gradual process to realize this, as custom orders took too long to complete and production sets were started and not finished. I apologize for unreturned E-mails, but in this age it is simply not possible to catch and respond to everything. As infrequently as I check and as many E-mails as come in, I probably miss many, or lose track of the ones requiring a response. In short, I'm very much alive and active away from the internet. And if I do not leave this internet promptly, my chances of remaining alive and well will decrease.
  5. After many false starts by honest folks and a few dead ends by pathological liars, PvtPyle and Tromix seem to be representing a boda fide 20rd Saiga-308 high capacity mag in production. These are people who have promised and delivered on many occasions. With a real plug and play high cap mag solution in sight, the practicality of another project now must be re-evaluated. In short, the G3 mag adaptor was developed in August 2004. That was during the 1994 domestic so called "assault weapon" ban. During the ban, a high cap magazine could only be modified if it still worked in the original gun, and no new ones could be made for civilian use. My G3 mag adaptor satisfied that criteria and was legal back in August 2004. Then, as we had all hoped and prayed, the ban expired on schedule. High cap mags were now legal to make and modify as drastically as we wanted. The door was open to something different, but nothing walked through immediately. Now that seems to have changed for real. Another difference in the times was that Saiga 308s were being wholesaled as low as $220 for a synthetic carbine. Add the prices of a conversion and adaptor and you're still competitive with a G3 or FAL, with Saiga accuracy and AK durability. Now they'll be over $100 more, and looking to stay that way. Still fair for such a fine rifle, but not something one would be as comfortable modifying. That doesn't mean there's no reason for a G3 cap mag adaptor. Here are advantages it still has: 1.) It is more or less a straight insertion magazine. Not as much as an AR-15, but G3 owners know what I'm talking about. This is advantageous for mag changes. 2.) Surplus G3 mags are $2 a piece, give or take. You can't make mags for that price, period. I'm going to guess that prices for these upcoming mags will be $40-60, which is quite fair and believable. We're talking 20-30 times as much. My current tentative price for a G3 mag adaptor would be $100. So at about three mags the G3 conversion would be more economical. 3.) As this conversion was designed with the ban still in place, it may also be legal in states that have their own bans that grandfather existing pre-ban mags. NY comes to mind. Now for the drawbacks of the G3 mag conversion. 1.) It adds a part and weight to the rifle. Nothing major in my opinion, but it does. And it limits the space you have in the trigger guard. I'm ok with it, but it's not a strength. 2.) It moves the magazine well rearward and requires replacement of the original recoil rod limiter with a BlackJack buffer for proper feeding timing. This is not really a bad thing either, but it too limits your options. 3.) It requires skilled modification to the rifle on the part of the owner or a licensed gunsmith who's comfortable with the project. If you want my opinion of how much skill, I'd rate it this way - that it's an equivalent step along this progression: 1 - Saiga conversion to p-grip, 2 - Saiga X39 conversion to hi-cap, 3 - Saiga 223 conversion to hi-cap (varies), 4 - Stamped AK build, 5 - Switching a regular AK to underfolder or AMD style sidefolder, 6 - G3 mag adaptor conversion to Saiga-308, 7 - rebarreling an AK trunion, 8 - building an AK receiver from flat or bent blank. 4.) This conversion is tentatively permanent. What I mean by that is that it would take the same skill to switch it back to factory mags as it would to tweak and rework it to make it work with the G3 mags. 5.) The G3 mags do require modification. It is not significant, and they will still work in a G3. But you can't just pick up any old G3 mag and stick it in. Economically the G3 mags are still better, but this is a limitation. 6.) It alters the structure of the receiver by removing the cross post, a part more important in construction than in operation. The sides of the mag well brace the receiver to compensate. To me this is not a big deal, but it is a drawback. Lots of folks say the scope rail is not much good of a mount anyway for the 308 (even Robarm says so on the thicker receivered VEPRs), but I would say there's a good chance the siderail scope mount would be off. Now don't just get scared by the longer list of drawbacks. It's just that the advantages are simple and clear, while the drawbacks require explanation for you to know whether or not they make the difference. There's been a long saga of false starts, tentative interest, and updates to the design, and here are pictures of the current one, the MkII: In explanation and apology to those sincerely interested, the whole dang thing has taken far too long. I have what I feel are legitimate reasons, mostly relate to the fact that one must make ends meet, and that this project is so sensitive to details that I feel I shouldn't take prepayments. It might have moved things faster, but probably time would have shown it not to be fast enough. So with this information on the table, I'd like to know who would still be interested in my adaptor conversion for a Saiga-308 to use modified G3 mags. If not, I have other projects to be involved in, some non-commercial. One of them involves seriously showing up RAA regarding the Saiga 30-06 that was supposed to be in fall 2002. Another is what may be one of the best bullpup conversions possible. And of course customized wooden furniture for Saigas and, coming soon, other AKs. But if people are still interested in a G3 mag adaptor for a Saiga-308, I want to come through. Just let me know. Hope to observe the right priorities in order to make the most of my efforts, for everyone's benefit.
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    G3 Mag adaptors - It's taken far too long; Who's still interes

    Fear not the worst. My life is just completely consumed by the most important things. G3 mag adapters were practical when the AWB was in effect. Now, an aftermarket mag makes the most sense, especially since there are many choices.
  7. Alright folks, I'm back from a brief hiatus and am once again able to do custom gun furniture work. My past work has involved a saga of innovations and frustrations, and the whole scope of dealings from the best to the worst. In short, I started off intending to offer something better, something different, both in my products and in how I deal. I've seen far too many gun business relationships go sour when a fellow had received many payments and items to work on and then lost touch. In some cases the customers cried thief when there was only a delay to work with. In other cases, their suspicions were more than correct. So when breaking into this field, I said that I wouldn't take money without a product ready to go (of course I waited for payment before shipping the product.) Well the G3 mag adaptor saga is an interesting one and is best left on its own threads. Suffice it to say it was the first of many learning experiences. In some cases, custom products have become really popular. In others, high cost options have been loaded onto items that nobody bought. Leaving all of those discussions in their past threads (please do, for the love of humanity), things are different now. I have made many successful sales with many happy customers. I have developed a variety of my own designs and built them on my own initiative. In short, I now have a reputation to go by, and a reputation to keep. Therefore, custom work will now require a deposit, and custom work will be priced differently than production work. Edit: Tried to cough up uniform guidelines on custom furniture pricing, but have decided to keep my pricing figures proprietary. It seems that it would be easier to write a computer program for that stuff and quote prices upon request instead of putting terms in public that would confine my offers more than helping people figure stuff out. I of course reserve the right to establish special terms and be generous without obligation to do so on every occasion. Business sales are an entirely different animal with confidential terms. Shipping is a flat $5 for grips and handguards regardless of quantity. Shipping is a flat $8 if the order includes at least one buttstock, this is due to weight. These prices are to the lower 48 states. Residents of AK, HI, PR, and international orders must make special arrangements. (Thus far I have only had one case of that - Alaska.) With all of those details behind, here once again are a variety of items I have made already, both custom and production.
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    State by State Saiga Legalities

    Ok, I'm looking at setting up an S-12 at some point in a super hunting/animal defense rig with a rifled barrel. But it would have to be legal in states where I'd use it. So I was wondering what states would have a restriction on: a.) The S-12 itself, unconverted b.) The S-12 with a Thumbhole stock c.) The S-12 with a P-grip and solid stock d.) The S-12 With a folding stock None of this would be for tactical purposes, just for comfort and convenience (folding stock for backpacking, P-grip for ergonomics, FCG conversion for better trigger), so I might want to taylor it to the laws of potential hunting states. Most could be changed accordingly (ie solid stock to T-hole to folder) but the FCG conversion would be permanent. Anyone know the state law regs and hunting regs? Another question would be on a Saiga based big bore semi-auto rifle, ie 444 Marlin. Would use standard low-cap magazine, but would also have the question of stock/FCG legalities. All I know thus far is to forget about anything Saiga in CA, NY has the old AWB so stock shotgun would be OK as would be a stiff stocked rifle with the P-grip/FCG conversion. Thinking particularly about the far west and far midwest, as well as Alaska, but I think Alaska's all pro RKBA.
  9. The good news is that I'm still alive, haven't forgotten how to make stocks, still have my tools, and have a few stock sets to finish. The bad news is that many demands are adding up to a point where I can't do everything I used to. To answer the question of whether I'm still "in the business", I'm definitely still "in the hobby", but the long term projection for "business" is under careful consideration. If you're interested in something some day, E-mail me, I'll add you to a list, and let you know when anything's available, with no obligation, and no promise on if/when anything in particular will be ready. I can say that if I end up wrapping up, I have at least some things to complete and offer. Basically at this point I plan to function as a regular member of the gun community with maybe something sometimes to offer for sale.
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    I have experience with purpleheart and can echo the other comments about it being very hard to work. I would not have believed it in the same ballpark as ebony without actually forming a complete stock set out of it. For something hard and tough, I prefer jatoba. A different color but a very nice one that forms a good surface finish.
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    Counter-study in progress by anyone?

    If everyone and his brother publishes his own "study", none of them will matter. But the fact that the NRA has responded directly indicates that prominent gun organizations have something to say. The challenge is making the response compelling, ie such that people who read it can't refute it. That means keeping it specific and well documented. If I found anything significant in the study it was that there are a lot of directions it could go from here.
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    Counter-study in progress by anyone?

    When I read the ATF shotgun study, my first and strongest thought was that we needed a well thought out, documented, broadly reviewed and endorsed, polite, and professional study that redirects some of the discussion, counteracts some of the points, and makes new points for consideration. Not something all inclusive, but something sporting organizations, lobbying groups, and government officials can easily review and say "I agree with this study", and not excluding any other actions or positions. So I thought about how I would directly respond, and I'm sure I'm not alone. So my question is, are their any organizations or prominent individuals who are doing such a study that we can support through research, supporting documentation, technical analysis, review, or distribution for review and endorsement? A single, refined, direct, and compelling response will probably help in ways that other methods don't, even though other methods should continue to be pursued (ie letters, sporting events, etc).
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    opinions on best conversion parts for s 308

    I myself have had good experience with the Tapco G2 as well. I prefer the double hook version and just make a small extra cut in the receiver to mirror the other side. Minor detail but that's my cup of tea.
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    .308 vs .30-06 my rifle depends on it!

    If you could still find a Saiga 30-06, I'd say try one of them. But a Rem autoloader won't match the reliability of a Saiga. Doing the conversion will improve your ergonomics, whereas adding a p-grip to a Rem auto will do nothing. Ultimately everyone who likes the Rem autos admits they're a niche gun - for hunting only, semi-auto good for one mag only, lifespan in terms of bullets suited for hunting only. That's not to say I would never consider getting one to play with, but play with it I would, to try to change some element of the equation.
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    Saiga 236 - Norinco Hunter

    Correct, at best it would require major carving, but it may not have all the material you need. My suggestion would be to do the trigger group conversion and then make a stock to match. The knob that goes into the hunter receiver is hard to mill and even harder to cut without machine tools, but if you didn't mind being slightly amateur you could just cut the stock to match the receiver profile and then make a separate knob to go into the receiver recess. Do NOT try to put a thumbhole on a hunter without the FCG conversion - the trigger is very long and is pulled up as much as back. It needs a classic curved grip stock to be the slightest bit ergonomic.
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    Pictorial Writeup: Saiga-100 in 30-06

    Food for thought: a. What would you sell 100 mags for? What would you sell 50 mags for? If you have some thoughts there, share. Those few of us who love the Saiga 30-06 probably wouldn't rule out paying 1.5-2x the cost of a 308 mag in the same capacity. b. Maybe think about approaching a distributor to see if they'd reconsider bringing in more 30-06 rifles if there were hi-cap mags. The S-308 had the same issue - people were shy of getting it because mags were scarce, and no one made spare (10rd) mags because the rifles were scarce. It took some time after the ban dropped for someone to make mags for S-308, but now that the snowball is rolling many of the usual mag makers have something for Saiga. Don't have the capacity to mass produce mags? Consider selling your tested, proven design with notes to a manufacturer who has the technology, or consider sourcing to a modern fab shop and still selling them yourself. Sometimes a good product just needs baby steps to take off.
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    Wood furniture for my brand new Saiga-12...?

    The dichotomy on thumbholes tends to be something like this: They were considered "sporting" enough that a given gun could be imported with a thumbhole but not a pistol grip, per the import ban, that acts as a moving target because something new is always being cut off from import while items already here are fine. But under the expired 1994 AW ban, there was an opinion issued that a thumbhole stock counts as a pistol grip, and therefore takes up your one allowed feature (where applicable.) So a MAK-90 could be imported under the '89 import ban (until banned by exec order) with a thumbhole stock and 100% imported parts. But that thumbhole stock is a pistol grip per the '94 ban, so you can't add anything else, no matter how many parts you replace with US made. You could go the US compliance route just to change to a regular p-grip, it's one-to-one. Now that the federal AW ban is gone, anyone living in a free state can just watch their parts compliance and not worry, as long as their gun is semi-auto only and has a barrel length minimum 16" (18" for shotguns). However, if you live in a state that copied the expired federal ban, you have your state's own justice department to try to get answers from. One rule of thumb WAS (pun intended) that if the thumb was below the top of the trigger, it was a pistol grip. A number of stock sets have been designed specifically with this criteria in mind, keeping the bottom of the thumb groove above the height of the trigger.
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    has anyone used ironwood furniture

    These days I'm doing wood for Saigas either unconverted or rear end conversions only, and sending people who want AK front ends to Ironwood.
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    wood furniture for factory set up?

    I checked Rhineland's website, very interesting. They do just what I won't - thumbholes for non-converted Saigas. Their handguards are pretty well priced and featured - I wouldn't mind checking one of them out. If you don't want to wait 50+ years for me, and it was your cup of tea, you might consider a handguard from Rhineland and grip and buttstock from Ironwood as a matching set for converted Saiga.
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    Planning my first Saiga

    BattleRifleG3 does still take care of business, but does not have the capacity to operate as a business member on the forum. I sometimes take a while to get through the many E-mails, mainly because I try to respond to each inquiry. E-mail is still the best way to be in touch. Repeat E-mails are fine, they won't speed the response but may get through in case the first was lost, spam flagged, etc. I hope to share on some projects that are fun for the community and completely non-business, but time for that is in short supply.
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    Converting adds how much value?

    A conversion basically falls in the realm of customization. Customization is an investment in your own enjoyment, or perhaps more of a gamble (as most investments are.) Back when there was less info on conversions and fewer people were comfortable doing it, it may have added some value, if you were already recognized as a knowledgeable person about the subject. And in the case of Tromix conversions, the fact that it is a recognized conversion and that they are limited in number adds some supply/demand economics. The bigger picture - guns are a good investment to KEEP. They are only a good investment to buy and sell if you are good at the business or have a time machine. If most people knew what guns would go up in value in the future, they would buy more and then they wouldn't go up in value because there would have been more of them made to meet the investment demand. On the other hand, buying guns as consumption spending and then selling them when you want to move on to something else is a better hobby than automobiles. You generally don't lose as much with time and use as you do with a car or truck. But you will still lose money changing your mind about what guns you want to own. If I had known everything I would have in my current collection years ago, I would be a little farther ahead financially. But for the education I got in the process, it wasn't a bad deal. Back to conversion, only spend to convert if you have someone interested in the conversion and you know you'll add extra $$ to the price, or you'll at least do ok and it will help you win the sale. Or if you plan to keep the Saiga and want it converted.
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    S-308 mod to take G3 mags???

    NY's copy of the '94 ban is the only current reason for a G3 mag conversion of S-308
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    S-308 mod to take G3 mags???

    M14 mags are a better fit. FAL mags are NOT a good fit. I chose G3 mags because they were cheap and with my system the mags could still work in a G3 after the mods. That was key to complying with the expired AW ban. The expiration of the AW ban and the rise in Saiga prices (remember when they were all under $300?) ended the practicality of my conversion. It makes less sense to mod a $500 gun when you can now get $40 mags to fit a stock gun.
  24. I'm a fan of the double-hook notch mod. Not hard at all and I feel the trigger is smoother and straighter as a result.
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    22" Bullpup build

    I love it! I've always thought a long barreled bullpup S-308 would be a good idea. My $0.02 would be to improvise a longer handguard, and possibly use a rail above the gas tube for a scope.