getitat 609 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hello Ahh, finally! The S.308 finally lost that "hormonally-challenged, transformer halfway-through a sex-change" personna, and finally looks the part! The AKM handguards mounted with the always capable assistance of Dinzag and his clamp-on mounts have finally completed the transformation from "sporter" to "sinister, bad-ass tac rifle" that it was meant to be. I've hated that front handguard since I first opened the box on my .308. Had to do a bit of Dremelling on the new gas tube at the clamp, it was being pushed down a bit too much and the piston was binding. Haven't shot it yet, but it now seems to be moving and cycling freely. Even my GWP bitch Greta seems to approve, and she's pretty discriminating..... Thanks, Dinzag...Outstanding design and execution, very well-made stuff! Respectfully posted, Guido2 in Houston Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) Groovy +1 on Dinzag's HG retainer. Awesome piece of work! Edited February 2, 2007 by macbeau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Fantastic looking rifle! Congrats! Dinzag ROCKS... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
texlurch 0 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 That looks scchwweeeeeTT!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sundog 1 Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Does anyone know if Dinzags clamp-on will work with a Galil handguard and if I would need the new gas tube with that set-up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 (edited) Yes - It will - with a BUT....!!! Most Ak retainers work with Galil stuff and visa-vee. However, I tested this out (having a Galil ARM of my own and a Dinzag retainer for my S-308) and Galil furniture will work using and AK / Dinzag retainer.... BUT - You may have to relieve a bunch on material from a Galili rear retainer to fit properly on any 308 Saiaga... But, it is dependant on caliber.... Macbeau sends... Edited February 3, 2007 by macbeau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Yup, I am deepening the top gas tube relief and moving the retaining set screw to the bottom on future ones. Learning process I guess. Thanks for the support guys and nice lookin rifle there guido2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Those available for the S12? always wanted to put an ultimak lower rail on an S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aurbis 1 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 (edited) Looks good, just like mine does now. No gas tube problems with x39 retainers, but it is a very close fit. My only complaint/comment is that the retainers do not cover the 'lip' of the front of the handguard fully. They mostly do, but the back and top parts of the HG front lip stick out a bit. I don't know if there is a way around that, but it is no big deal, especially after I paint that small area black to match. Edited February 3, 2007 by hellgrün-K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TEXASAK73 13 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 man that is nice I might have to get one for my other S-223. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Juggernaut...S-20 & S-12 lower retainers. I don't have a solution for the uppers just yet. My only complaint/comment is that the retainers do not cover the 'lip' of the front of the handguard fully. They mostly do, but the back and top parts of the HG front lip stick out a bit. You will notice that with a lot of AK retainers actually. This batch I got were labeled as german, but are identical to a bulgarian and romy's I have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aurbis 1 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I actually think it is mostly due to the actual handguard itself... your retainer lines up perfectly with the retainer above it (on gas tube), so that does not appear to be the problem. No big deal anyways... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Dinzag, how did you modify the gas tube to fit on the S12? been thinking about building mine to a AKS-12. Man I'm gona need a nice Wad of cash to get BRG3's wood and Dinzag's hardware. Well worth it though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dasu 1 Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 THats sweet!!! Dinzag, Im awaiting my HG retainers... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Genocide, click the linky in my signature line for top-secret info on how to do the detachable AK gas tube. dasu, most guys send money when they want parts. lol! I got a sizable shipment of retainers to cut-up today so I should be on schedule to have a bunch done up for the 14th. (Although now I'm $500 in the hole...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dasu 1 Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 dinzag, correction taken. check your PMs. here is a valentines day present I can enjoy!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I got a sizable shipment of retainers to cut-up today so I should be on schedule to have a bunch done up for the 14th. (Although now I'm $500 in the hole...) Bah, these babies are the best thing since sliced bread! Not too many forum-ites have actually figured out what this all means. IT MEANS THERE ARE NO LIMITS TO WHAT FRONT ENDS YOU PUT ON A SAIGA! NO GUNSMITHING REQUIRED! Hell, this is one thing you can use even on your UNMODIFIED rifle to add uber tactical shit to the front, and don't even have to worry about 922R, unless you add a grip to the front that has a rail and you mount a vertical forgrip or bipod. Just think, you can now mount lights and lasers and even a scout scope to a modified or unmodified Saiga now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yup, I am deepening the top gas tube relief and moving the retaining set screw to the bottom on future ones.Learning process I guess. Thanks for the support guys and nice lookin rifle there guido2. Dude,that is some tight work you did on that handguard retainer!! Great Job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Does anyone know if the KVAR heat shield will work with a First Samco Tri-rail lower hand guard? Cant wait to get the retainer and this furniture for the S-308. Heat shield: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?prod...at=0&page=2 Hand Guard: http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=14&cID=17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'm not sure if that heat shield will fit the 308 barrel... Dunno if it fits the HG either. (some help I am) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'm not sure if that heat shield will fit the 308 barrel...Dunno if it fits the HG either. (some help I am) I just did an AK100 forend this afternoon and the heatshield needs to be moved forward a tiny bit but it fits around the 308 barrel on an older Kalashnikov USA(non BHO) 308-1.I did have to sand the interior to get the forend to clear the rear sight base ring around the barrel though. I'll need one of those cool clamp pn handguard retainers though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'm not sure if that heat shield will fit the 308 barrel...Dunno if it fits the HG either. (some help I am) Yeah, why'd you even write that? J/K <Also owes Dinzag money> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Hehe, good intentions Dinzag. Ill just have to test to and see if it'll fit together, that way the next guy that comes around will know if the combo works. Nothing a dremel cant fix. I just did an AK100 forend this afternoon and the heatshield needs to be moved forward a tiny bit but it fits around the 308 barrel on an older Kalashnikov USA(non BHO) 308-1.I did have to sand the interior to get the forend to clear the rear sight base ring around the barrel though. I'll need one of those cool clamp pn handguard retainers though. What Lower HG did you use? Edited February 6, 2007 by Genocide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hehe, good intentions Dinzag.Ill just have to test to and see if it'll fit together, that way the next guy that comes around will know if the combo works. Nothing a dremel cant fix. I just did an AK100 forend this afternoon and the heatshield needs to be moved forward a tiny bit but it fits around the 308 barrel on an older Kalashnikov USA(non BHO) 308-1.I did have to sand the interior to get the forend to clear the rear sight base ring around the barrel though. I'll need one of those cool clamp pn handguard retainers though. What Lower HG did you use? K-Var US made clone of AK100 forend.The rear of the heat shield buts up against the edge of the RSB's barrel ring while the front does not protrude all the way out the front. I had use coarse sandpaper taped to a fat dowel to sand a rounded pocket for the RSB ring and Chamber area so they would fit correctly but it looks top notch now that it's finished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44rdv4rk 0 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 i sure wish dinzag had these a few months ago. very elegant solution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I'm not sure if that heat shield will fit the 308 barrel...Dunno if it fits the HG either. (some help I am) Yeah, why'd you even write that? J/K <Also owes Dinzag money> Oh man, I just accidentally crushed your FSB...sorry 'bout that! I was trying to run up my post count so I can be cooler, duh! Thanks SOPMOD for the info. I tried mine on there and you are correct about the heatshield. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Does mounting the galil or ak hardware affect the weapon's performance? What I'd like to know is has anyone done a before and after evaluation to see if using different hardware has affected the weapon for better or worse. I've just picked up the saiga 308 myself and have not shot it yet. I've already noticed that the front sight post is off center and biased to the left. The seller assured me that the weapon was zeroed at the factory but I assumed that he meant mechanical zero...which does not seem to be the case. At any rate, I'll fix that when the weather gets warmer and I find a range in the area. Future plans for my saiga is to mount tactical accessories (flashlight, possibly a foregrip) and a scope. I'll be using the side rail that allows use of the iron sights for the scope but as far as the other stuff goes I'll need handguards that can accomodate them, as long as they don't adversely affect the weapon's accuracy. Thanks for any input you can offer. GunnyR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwsackett 0 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Dinzag, I gotta say, you really do nice work. I hope to have the chance to order some stuff from you. (Unrelated, I go back to the Misfits on vinyl era. I too, dig the Danzig.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 GunnyR, I wouldn't think it would affect the performance any worse than notching the barrel and putting a real retainer on there. But I am biased... I would think making the AK too front heavy like the pic of the M-18 Juggernaut posted would affect performance. ie - too many attachments would throw the balance off - make it front heavy. Hey, as long as it goes bang when you're pointing it at a zombie. USPride - we are 138... Actually the Misfits were a tad before my time, but I did get into a $6.66 Halloween show down in Detroit to see Samhain when I was 11 or 12. Been corrupted ever since Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Hello Ahh, finally! The S.308 finally lost that "hormonally-challenged, transformer halfway-through a sex-change" personna, and finally looks the part! The AKM handguards mounted with the always capable assistance of Dinzag and his clamp-on mounts have finally completed the transformation from "sporter" to "sinister, bad-ass tac rifle" that it was meant to be. I've hated that front handguard since I first opened the box on my .308. Had to do a bit of Dremelling on the new gas tube at the clamp, it was being pushed down a bit too much and the piston was binding. Haven't shot it yet, but it now seems to be moving and cycling freely. Even my GWP bitch Greta seems to approve, and she's pretty discriminating..... Thanks, Dinzag...Outstanding design and execution, very well-made stuff! Respectfully posted, Guido2 in Houston What kind of scope is that Guido? A Leupold CQ/T? That's a hot rifle by the way;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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