IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 whoever told you .22LR isnt the shiznit, lied to you.........Ill get ya from 150 yards, and you wont have ever heard it......very demoralising.............. quoting myself, and not editing my comment. Just because I want to say 22LR rules, and say it twice..... a .22 is a dangerous thing......especially in the eyeball......... I will bite on this one, Ben... I will even supply the ammo... lets say I will give you 100 rounds of your choice of .22LR... your rifle, and I will set up the 1" circle at 150 yards... I want to see how many times you can hit it... especially when it starts to move after the first shot misses... Mind you, I would not want to personally be shot at by anyone with anything at any range... I just think calling eyeball shots at 150 is reaching.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 whoever told you .22LR isnt the shiznit, lied to you.........Ill get ya from 150 yards, and you wont have ever heard it......very demoralising.............. quoting myself, and not editing my comment. Just because I want to say 22LR rules, and say it twice..... a .22 is a dangerous thing......especially in the eyeball......... I will bite on this one, Ben... I will even supply the ammo... lets say I will give you 100 rounds of your choice of .22LR... your rifle, and I will set up the 1" circle at 150 yards... I want to see how many times you can hit it... especially when it starts to move after the first shot misses... Mind you, I would not want to personally be shot at by anyone with anything at any range... I just think calling eyeball shots at 150 is reaching.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 LOL. many that will read this do NOT have the sand in thier pants to actually pull the trigger on another human being, and end them......I am sure that many members will have the balls to reply to it, though............... I think most would. At least when it comes down to them/their family dying versus the bad guy. If someone has a gun aimed at me/my family/people I care about, I'm pretty confident I would be able to pull the trigger. Of course no one knows how they will react in that situation until they're in it, but my money is on the thought that most would squeeze the trigger if it came down to life or death. But I hope no one here has to go through that, eventhough I'm sure some here have. Especially those in the military. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) I'll stick my .02 worth in. First off, I'm totally out of date but, then, that fits with being in my 60s, I guess. I have several bolt action Italian Carcano rifles and carbines from WW2. About 150 rds of 6.5 ammo for them. Out of date? I guess. Slow on repeat fire? Yup. But as fast on aimed, repeat fire as most people are with a semi-auto. Two .22 rifles. Both semi-auto, one a Ruger 10/22 and the other a Marlin. A 500 rd box of ammo. Only one handgun. A totally obsolescent but thoroughly reliable Astra 400 in 9 mm Largo. Yeah, I know -- a round as hard to come by by a carrier pidgeon but accurate and over 1300 fps. BTW, the Astra was delivered to the Spanish army in 1925 and is in almost new condition. Only hae about 80 rds but have not yet had to fire this in anger -- or any of my other firearms, either. I've owned one of my Carcano rifles (an M-91/43) since 1966 and have kept an Astra 400 since the same year. Edited February 7, 2008 by Aethelbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aethelbert 1 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) I'll stick my .02 worth in. First off, I'm totally out of date but, then, that fits with being in my 60s, I guess. I have several several bolt action Italian Carcano rifles and carbines from WW2. About 150 rds of 6.5 ammo for them. Out of date? I guess. Slow on repeat fire? Yup. But as fast on aimed, repeat fire as most people are with a semi-auto. Two .22 rifles. Both semi-auto, one a Ruger 10/22 and the other a Marlin. A 500 rd box of ammo. Only one handgun. A totally obsolescent but thoroughly reliable Astra 400 in 9 mm Largo. Yeah, I know -- a round as hard to come by by a carrier pidgeon but accurate and ovey 1300 fps. BTW, the Astra was delivered to the Spanish army in 1925 and is in almost new condition. Only hae about 80 rds but have not yet had to fire this in anger -- or any of my other firearms, either. BTW, I have owned one of my Carcanos since 1966 and have kept an Astra around since the same year. Forgot... I do have one decently rapid fire shoulder arm (if limited in mag size but that may be rectified in a couple months) and that is my Saiga .410. Darn thing is as accurate at 50 yards as my favorite Carcano cavalry carbine, easier to shoot, and can (and has) hit a full-sized silouette at 200 yards. Some of that is inherently due to the Saiga, itself, and some to the mods that Cobra helped me with. Have 50 rds of Brenneke 3" shells. Edited February 7, 2008 by Aethelbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eugene Onegin 6 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I like to have about 500 rds per cal.,that much ammo fits into a GI ammo can and does'nt look too conspicuous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jvmallcop 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hello all. This is my first post here. I'm finding some good information. The best advice I've ever heard regarding SHTF scenarios came from a Romanian friend of mine who's been there. He said "Get a good cheap rifle and 200 rounds. Use 100 rounds to learn to shoot the rifle and save the other 100 rds. If you ever find yourself in a firefight 100 rounds is all you'll need, because before you shoot all 100 rounds, your either going to be carrying your enemies rifle and ammo, or you'll be dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gixser 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) My rule of thumb is to have 10 mags and 1k per gun. 5 Aks =5K ammo and 50 mags. Only thing worse then not having a gun is not having enough ammo when needed! Same thing with handguns. I Standardized all my ammo types also. 7.62, .223, .9mm. 40cal, 12 gauge. The exotic RDs are going to be hard to find if SHTF Edited February 8, 2008 by Gixser Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REDNEK 0 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 well as far as anyone is concerned I have 1 20rd box of ammo for every gun..like every responsible sportsman should have ...of course my nosey girlfriend is always wondering why that trunk i have is locked..hehe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 well as far as anyone is concerned I have 1 20rd box of ammo for every gun..like every responsible sportsman should have ...of course my nosey girlfriend is always wondering why that trunk i have is locked..hehe Just tell her its porn . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 1,000 rounds per AK variant. I have a bit more at 6,000 roughly. Mostly Wolf, and M67 Yugo(the good stuff) some Yugo M82 API rounds, and Yugo M78 tracer. 500rds per S-12. I've got about 800 though for SHTF. 250 is wolf 00buck, and won't be used. the rest is for skeet, and the odd box of buckshot. 1,000 per AR, So I only have about 2,000 of that because I've been building AR's, and have to zero the irons, and I have an SPR so I have to dial in the scopes at various ranges. At least 1,000 per 9mm handgun. I've got about 1,200. 1,000 147gr for my suppressor coming( SHTF ammo) and odd 115gr, 147 for target practice( got some 9mm shotshells too...wonder how they pattern!??) About to break into .338lapua....lord knows how much I can afford though. Same with the .50BMG. Sold my barrett. But I know the worth of the ammo. So I buy any I can at a good deal for my next. 50.(never know!!!LOL) Gotta start with a nice stash. And then I buy what I shot. Replace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REDNEK 0 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Just tell her its porn . she would have my ass.lol...but its kinda weird 2 think when we started datin bout a year and a half ago she was VERY afraid of guns(her mom was shot when she was 5 in a gang initiation)...and now she can burn up more 762. 9mm and 20.ga shells than i can count..oh and on a side note I had 2 get a few more boxes 2nite at walmart an the little guy in sporting goods nearly shit his paints when I had 2 go 2 the front of the store to get a cart(couldnt carry it all )..next time im drivin the extra 10 miles to FoodGiant..thats where I bought both my AK's an most my ammo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Threecard 15 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I'm kind of late to this party, but I figure 1000 rds is plenty. I expect in a real SHTF scenario that I can "procure" more as necessary. On a side note, some of my neighbors asked me if I had stockpiled any supplies when the whole "for God's sake get duct tape, plastic sheeting, and water!" thing happened. I told them that I didn't need to stockpile supplies, because I have guns. If you have guns, you can get supplies. There was an awkward moment of silence, then laughter all around. They all know me and know I love them and was kidding. Really...I was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 .....inside 1 2k round, in a SHTF scenario, I would think that you might see 5-12 dead bodies. Are you prepared? LOL. many that will read this do NOT have the sand in thier pants to actually pull the trigger on another human being, and end them......I am sure that many members will have the balls to reply to it, though............... whoever told you .22LR isnt the shiznit, lied to you.........Ill get ya from 150 yards, and you wont have ever heard it......very demoralising.............. I think plenty of folks have the balls to pull the trigger but not the balls to risk getting shot at If you already haveit in your mind that not shooting is going to get you shot then the whole courage/balls thing takes up a lot less space and it's merely a matter of not wanting to flip a coin and see if someone skulking around your AO might shoot you down and take your stuff,rape your wife,smash your kid's brains against the wall for crying. All easily avoided if you shoot first,shoot better and have enough ammo(and friends) to SHOOT THEM ALL! My family has been culled pretty well since WW2 and those of us that are left after the Nazis and the Arabs would be afraid not to shoot.. Depends on how you were raised I guess,I used to worry about getting in trouble for shooting a trespasser but now that Castle Doctrine holds up in court I start taking up the slack on my trigger the second I verify that a skulker isn't a family member or friend and have no compunction about eliminating an unknown potential threat just out of well earned paranoia regardless of the trouble or cost s long as I know I won't end up in prison for the rest of my life. How much do you have to lose and who are most of you expecting to have to defend yourselves from? Goes by degrees doesn't it? ATF comes to my house and I'll invite them in for a cup of coffee and let them haul off all of the rubbish in my gun cabinet(I might have more elsewhere;) and it will be just like the "speak easy" of the prohibition era.They got this batch of whiskey but not the still Loose bands of armed goonie birds show up after some major disaster or breakdown in social order I'm not looking at hiring an attourney to defend myself I'm gonna have to shoot somebody and if I don't I'll end up mutilated in my backyard doused with gasoline while some sadistic scumbags amuse themselves torturing and eventually snuffing my family. That thought is ever present in my mind and I'm ready to gun a motherfucker down just because he might be thinking that. Someone who won't shoot another man to defend himself just doesn't have an intimate knowledge of what not shooting someone will lead to.Maybe a couple of months working for a funeral home,911 dispatch or the coroner's office would give them the reality check they need to get with it but unfortunately the first exposure to that sort of thing for most people is directed at them personally and they don't get the option to digest it and make up heir mind adequately beforehand. If you ask any Rwandan Tutsie,European Jew,Burmese Monk death is a gift that is better to give than receive and that's a fact Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Very eloquently stated, SOPMOD! I'm with ya on the Castle Doctrine concept....Hopefully, the premise of what it means will eventually trickle-down to the criminal scumbags who it is directed against, because the impact on them could be much more far-reaching than on us. -We need to realize that we CAN, they need to realize that we CAN and WILL! respectfully posted, guido2 in Houston Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VA M11 0 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 On a side note, some of my neighbors asked me if I had stockpiled any supplies when the whole "for God's sake get duct tape, plastic sheeting, and water!" thing happened. I told them that I didn't need to stockpile supplies, because I have guns. If you have guns, you can get supplies. There was an awkward moment of silence, then laughter all around. They all know me and know I love them and was kidding. Really...I was You're in NoVA...they ARE scared...they don't think you are kidding Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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waltham_41 52 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Personally I am trying to be prepared for TEOTWAWKI. I have an estimated 5000 or so rds of shotgun pistol and rifle ammo. Self defense and hunting for food. If the situation dictates, I would gather more ammo and weapons as avaliable. My wife thinks Im nuts, but if things go bad and after a couple of years we are still alive and eating because of the money I have spent on ammo, I think she will see the reasoning. I am also starting to keep my pistol brass and may start reloading as money permits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dvdivx 0 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) The big question for me is FMJ quality surplus for a .223 (for PLR16) or .308 (for Saiga) or spend over 3x the price per shot for an expanding bullet. I might get the FMJ surplus even though it's useless for hunting/SHTF defense just so I have something to practice with. I also can't afford 1k slugs for the S12 considering the current price on decent slugs and I don't know if you have to have a rifled shotgun to shoot certain slugs or not. I can say that if Obama gets in you can expect that ammo Saigas and mags will all pretty much skyrocket or disappear. No presidential candidate has ever been so antigun. You will have the "right" to hunt but be unable to do so and certainly not the right to defend yourself. Edited February 17, 2008 by dvdivx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) The big question for me is FMJ quality surplus for a .223 (for PLR16) or .308 (for Saiga) or spend over 3x the price per shot for an expanding bullet. I might get the FMJ surplus even though it's useless for hunting/SHTF defense just so I have something to practice with. I dont think I would go as far as to say that FMJ is useless, its what our armed forces use. Maybe not as effective perhaps, but certainly not useless. As far as the shotty goes, get a hundred rounds of slugs a hundred rounds of #00buck and then 800 rds or so of say #4 shot, and keep the slugs and buck for those "special occasions" that warrant their use. Also, the Foster style slugs will shoot just fine out of a smoothbore shotgun barrel. Edited February 18, 2008 by waltham_41 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 FMJ will work for whatever you need, it's just not a "sporting" round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 I plan on getting the 1K round case of Golden Tiger from Copes ( linky ), and seeing how I like it, then ordering another 1K if I do like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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