impalafunk 2 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I don't know if anybody knows about this but there is a new version of the x39 long barrel with a thumbhole wood stock on it, with regular ak trigger group. I think its the version 236 hunter, kinda like the version 21 of the 308. They have them on classic arms for $299. It might be rare? 236.bmp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 It is not rare. It is just a Saiga-M. These are made in the Molot factory (and they used to be imported as VEPRs). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvasqu03 21 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Interesting. What are the legalities of putting a regular stock on these? Do the trigger groups need to be changed out still? I'd figure it would at least be easier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Interesting. What are the legalities of putting a regular stock on these? Do the trigger groups need to be changed out still? I'd figure it would at least be easier. These have an angled rear receiver. Good luck finding any buttstocks that aren't custom made. The legalities are the same as the other Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 The PSL / Romak-3 is also an angled receiver, and PSL stocks can be had for $10 in various places. It should fit one of these just fine. These stocks are designed for receivers like this, but will fit pretty much any stamped AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fatboy148 4 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 While they may not be rare, at the $299.00 price they are a good value. I called Classic Monday, they were all gone. You can get them here: http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Rifles/Saiga/S...Thumbhole+Rifle But they are not $299.00, OUCH! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 It is not rare. It is just a Saiga-M. These are made in the Molot factory (and they used to be imported as VEPRs). Doesn't ACE offer a reciever block that allows mounting their stocks? Or will they not work on this one? http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...a6421fbdc81b1a7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Doesn't ACE offer a reciever block that allows mounting their stocks? Or will they not work on this one? http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_inf...a6421fbdc81b1a7 The Ace blocks will fit these, but you'd have an unsupported angled gap at the end of the receiver. The internal block would be more stable, but you'd still have the unsightly (and unsupported) gap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stoneshatter 0 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saiga.shtml The above link says that the "-M" class has a heavier receiver. Is that considered an advantage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saiga.shtml The above link says that the "-M" class has a heavier receiver. Is that considered an advantage? Only if you're a weight lifter. You'll find lots of folks who'll swear up and down that the thicker receivers / milled receivers are 'more accurate'. The accuracy is actually the same, but when you add more weight to a gun firing the same cartridge, physics says that there'll be less recoil. "Less actual recoil" may lead some to claim "more accurate" because their gun moves less during firing and they're quicker back to target . . . If you want more accuracy, you'll need to go for the bull barrels that are found on the RPK type rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stoneshatter 0 Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Anyone know if the M's have bullet guides in them? I haven't seen one in person yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 It is not rare. It is just a Saiga-M. These are made in the Molot factory (and they used to be imported as VEPRs). Where did you get that info? Are the receivers built the same as the VEPR's. I didn't realize it was the same rifle. This is my first post, I'm in the midst of picking out my first AK and so far the Saiga gets my nod. This is a great sight, very informative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 It is not rare. It is just a Saiga-M. These are made in the Molot factory (and they used to be imported as VEPRs). Where did you get that info? Are the receivers built the same as the VEPR's. I didn't realize it was the same rifle. This is my first post, I'm in the midst of picking out my first AK and so far the Saiga gets my nod. This is a great sight, very informative. It is easily verified that Izhmash won a lawsuit with and was awarded the Molot factory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vujade 0 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 so, these are in a sense - VEPRs? $299 VEPRs?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 so, these are in a sense - VEPRs? $299 VEPRs?? They're the same basic gun that was being imported as the VEPR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) I love mine, hands down almost every'ones favorite, unless we use the S12 with the MD 20,.. too. add a couple US Parts to use the US Made 30 round mags. Good too go, worth the extra bucks IMHO nice russian wood,.. just to be crystal clear, out of the box, these do not have a bullet guide,.. they do use Saiga mags,... and they crease almost every case ejected. Edited October 25, 2008 by Gas Giant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 It is not rare. It is just a Saiga-M. These are made in the Molot factory (and they used to be imported as VEPRs). Where did you get that info? Are the receivers built the same as the VEPR's. I didn't realize it was the same rifle. This is my first post, I'm in the midst of picking out my first AK and so far the Saiga gets my nod. This is a great sight, very informative. It is easily verified that Izhmash won a lawsuit with and was awarded the Molot factory. Ok thanks. I wonder why they are going so cheap? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Ok thanks. I wonder why they are going so cheap? I'd suspect the previous prices were vastly inflated. You should be aware that any Kalashnikov factory can produce a complete rifle for less than $100 US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oswald2001 0 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Ok thanks. I wonder why they are going so cheap? I'd suspect the previous prices were vastly inflated. You should be aware that any Kalashnikov factory can produce a complete rifle for less than $100 US. That is assembly line mass production at it's finest. Henry Ford would be proud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 for comparison, straight from the CZ plant, a Vz58 (including cleaning kit, 4 mags, bayo, mag pouch etc) costs 109$ in bulk. this includes the factory's profit margin. you do the math on the actual production cost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 The pics didn't copy over. They show the block angle cut to fit to the reciever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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