Juggernaut 11,054 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 From the Tromix web site.... So, you see a Tromix Saiga-12 for sale and the buyer is asking a premium price. How do you know if it's a real Tromix gun, or simply a fake, cobbled up on someone's kitchen table? Here's a few tips to help you identify a fake from the real thing. How to identify a real Tromix Saiga-12. 1. Your gun must have a Tromix HK style trigger guard Tig welded in place. 2. The pistol grip does not use a square hole cut in the receiver to hang it in the conventional AK style. There is a threaded rod welded to the receiver to hang the grip. There were a handful of guns, maybe 5 or so, with the square hole, but then the square nut would have been welded in place (externally) in order to make grip installation easier. 3. No Tromix guns were ever produced with an external safety stop like the factory unit. Very early guns, just had a dimple detent. Later guns had a welded in nipple on the side of the receiver to stop the safety selector. 4. All guns have a welded in back plate which has threaded inserts to bolt stock in place. No guns were made using the ACE adapter block to affix the stock. 5. If the gun is equipped with HK sights, you can remove the rear sight and look at the welds inside. The rear mount is affixed via Tig welding front and back on the inside. If it looks like a Mig weld or the welds are in a different location, it is not a Tromix installed sight base and most likely not a Tromix gun. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) From the Tromix web site.... So, you see a Tromix Saiga-12 for sale and the buyer is asking a premium price. How do you know if it's a real Tromix gun, or simply a fake, cobbled up on someone's kitchen table? Here's a few tips to help you identify a fake from the real thing. How to identify a real Tromix Saiga-12. 2. The pistol grip does not use a square hole cut in the receiver to hang it in the conventional AK style. There is a threaded rod welded to the receiver to hang the grip. There were a handful of guns, maybe 5 or so, with the square hole, but then the square nut would have been welded in place (externally) in order to make grip installation easier. gun. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp HEY!!! I must have a rare one.. My SBS has a square hole with and a square nut NOT welded in place. Edited November 26, 2008 by Banshee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 This was posted...just wondering what those at Tromix can say about it? Sturmgewehr.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) "*****This is a Class Three Weapon*********** I have a Saiga 12ga that I was told was converted by Tromix. It has no tromix marking that I can see. This is a Class three weapon that is on form 4 here in TX. It has a 13" barrel." 13" SBS.........a Class 3 weapon, and no Tromix marking...........(Key words above in blue........) Without even a picture to see to verify.........NOT A TROMIX SBS. (Whoever did do it shirley put their name on it, right???) Edited November 28, 2008 by Jeaux E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 "*****This is a Class Three Weapon*********** I have a Saiga 12ga that I was told was converted by Tromix. It has no tromix marking that I can see. This is a Class three weapon that is on form 4 here in TX. It has a 13" barrel." 13" SBS.........a Class 3 weapon, and no Tromix marking...........(Key words above in blue........) Without even a picture to see to verify.........NOT A TROMIX SBS. (Whoever did do it shirley put their name on it, right???) Seems like your post in his ad has been removed....hmmmm? Guess some people can't take a little, simple instruction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Yep, I noticed that this morning when I went to check it................ Likely doesn't want anyone to point out that it's NOT A TROMIX SBS.......... It could be a TROMIX conversion, but Tony did not do the SBS work on it, as he is implying........... Couldn't believe he took my post out.......................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Got an e-mail from the Sturm board when I got back home today......... Thought it was pretty interesting...... I didn't know RAA did any SBS work............(hmmmmmmmmmmm) "Your post was deleted by Buddy and Not by me. It was deleted because Sturm is not a message board. If you have something to say email it to the seller. I checked my Form 4 and this is a RAA factory gun. It was made by them and registered by them. Sorry for any confusion this has caused. GYZ" For damned sure NOT a TROMIX SBS, anyway............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 "Your post...was deleted because Sturm is not a message board. For damned sure NOT a TROMIX SBS, anyway.... LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I'm going to have to check this when I get to the shop tomorrow, but I believe RAA only has an importation FFL, not a manufacturing FFL. I'm not sure if an importer can manufacture a gun with that license.....I kinda doubt it. It sounds like a Form 1 gun, where the guy listed RAA as the "original manufacturer" but they are not the manufacturer of the SBS, only the Title 1 gun. Some Joe Blow dude is the SBS manufacturer and his name and city/state should be marked on the gun. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 277 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Sounds like somebody is trying to pull a fast one on the buyer and the ATF....but whadda I know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I'm going to have to check this when I get to the shop tomorrow, but I believe RAA only has an importation FFL, not a manufacturing FFL. I'm not sure if an importer can manufacture a gun with that license.....I kinda doubt it. It sounds like a Form 1 gun, where the guy listed RAA as the "original manufacturer" but they are not the manufacturer of the SBS, only the Title 1 gun. Some Joe Blow dude is the SBS manufacturer and his name and city/state should be marked on the gun. Tony Tony, Did you find out any more on this issue? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Mine fits the bill except for the grip nut and the safety stop. I got the welded back plate and trigger guard,HK sights,and moly job. I guess mine really is a Tromix mop up job,since it was partially converted already. Not an issue cause I would never sell unless they made me. Some day when Tony takes orders again I would like the nut hole done cause it was cut fugly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Yeah, there are some goofy semi-Tromix guns, where the gun was converted on a kitchen table, fucked up, and then sent in to be reworked. Those guns are all different, because the owner may or may not have paid to have it completely fixed, or just fixed enough to get it going. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Can I call it a Tromix? Let me guess No. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 If it is a Tromix, it is stamped as such, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 If it is a Tromix, it is stamped as such, correct? Only if it is a SBS or you request it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 No, its not stamped. Besides the grip nut, its a Tromix. Rock fuckin solid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Only SBS are engraved, as required by law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Franky 2 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Only SBS are engraved, as required by law. Does the law specify NOT to engrave anything other than SBS? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike_f 0 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 My bad, Tony has done form 1's for guys in the past, which get the customer's name and location. Pretty rare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike12345 18 Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) nevermind Edited December 4, 2010 by mike123456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnInNH 0 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I also believe Tony wields the mag catch/release pin in place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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