ASSASSIN 1 Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 Soon i will be ready to ship saiga 12 mags with a capacity of 8 rounds to anyone who is willing to order them, at the moment the price for each 8 round mag will be £50 English pounds + shipping. any person who may be interested should email me at the address below:- kalashnikov@ntlworld.com **DISCLAIMER** Please note that while it is not illegal for me to export these mags it may be illegal for you to recieve , you should be aware of the relevant laws in your country/state before you order. Link to post Share on other sites
loandr. 0 Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 email sent rnatkin@cfl.rr.com Loandr. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Still unsure of the US laws huh Assassin? Sounds legal in what I've read. Good luck to ya. Link to post Share on other sites
loandr. 0 Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 if legal id be VERY interested. OF course only if legal! From what I have read i believe they are legal as well, BUT will there be customs issues etc. Loandr. Link to post Share on other sites
ASSASSIN 1 Posted December 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 I am now able to supply 8 round mags for the saiga 12 and saiga .410 shotguns only (sorry saiga 20 was not imported into England). Stocks of saiga 12 mags are very limited but more stock will be ariving early in the new year. .410 mags are currently in good supply. kalashnikov@ntlworld.com Link to post Share on other sites
Odysseus75 0 Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I'm very interested in the 8 rdrs also. Has anyone located a link as to whether this is legal or not? I thought due to the streetsweeper law detachable shotgun mags were limited to 5rds. Link to post Share on other sites
Odysseus75 0 Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 Back again, with some research. Logically, if 8rd saiga mags were legal, they sure as hell would sell them here in the US. BATF rules state: (d) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -- (1) A folding or telescoping stock, (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds, and (4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine. It Does not say "a detachable mag in excess of 5 rds" Does that make it legal? I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I think we've all seen that law, I've posted it a few times too. But some people here still believe they are illegal because they aren't sold to the public here in the US. It'll be nice when that law it gone so that I don't feel like consulting a lawyer every time I want to change a stock or mount an accessory. Link to post Share on other sites
Odysseus75 0 Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 My problem is that the syntax is a little screwy. I'd hate to shoot an email over to to the KGB er.. i mean ATF and ask. That might draw some unwanted attention.... Link to post Share on other sites
ASSASSIN 1 Posted January 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Currently all saiga 12 mags are sold out , i am waiting for my supplier to recieve another shipment from Russia and once recieved i will re-post here. .410 mags are still in good supply kalashnikov@ntlworld.com Link to post Share on other sites
ironmike82 0 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Let me know as soon as you get them in!! I have waited a long time for these things and I don't have to worry about the hi cap thing cause I work in law enforcement!!! I will order as soon as you get them! Thanks!!! Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Why don't you just order your own law-man! Link to post Share on other sites
ironmike82 0 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I can't seem to find them anywhere. If I knew a company that supplied them to law enforcement, I would. Besides, this way, I can cut down on the paperwork and own them outright. But thanks for asking. Link to post Share on other sites
wolfdobe 0 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 I know I'm new here , but I have a idea if Assassin blocks the to mags 5rds by gluing plastic welding a block to the follower and advertises them as 5rd mags they should be legal to import to the US . The price is a little high , but if he sells a fair amount he should be able to make a fair profit . Let me know what you think . I would like to have some [5rd 410 mags] Link to post Share on other sites
ASSASSIN 1 Posted January 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Just in case anyone is wondering the mags i am selling are getting through U.S customs with no problems at all. I am still waiting on new stocks of the 8 round saiga 12 mags but still have some 10 round saiga .410 mags. all the best assassin Link to post Share on other sites
duffman 1 Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 KySoldier- I'm with you on this...all of those who think that the 8 rnd mags are legal should just order them. The truth of the matter, I beleive, is that deep down we all know them (8 rnd mags) to be illegal for civilian ownership the way the current laws are written. Hell, I'd like to have some of them myself. However, I just can't justify taking a chance of getting caught. For those who pursue these, good luck and enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Well, I know there's an ATF letter out there saying that they would interpret it as illegal....but the law, as it is written, deosn't ban them. Somebody some time ago posted a link to a proposed new weapons ban to replace the '94 ban in September. In the proposed ban, one of the many additions to the '94 ban is that people can't have detachable mags over 5 rounds for semi auto shotguns (I think they inlcuded this because the law now does not) Link to post Share on other sites
ironmike82 0 Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 GOOD CALL kysoldier! If you are going to be convicted of any crime, the burden of proof is on the government. They must not only prove that you knowingly, willfully, and intentionally, violated the law, but that interpretation of the law is enough for federal prosecutors to file charges in the first place. If the law is written for fixed mags and not detatchable mags, I would think it would be pretty tough for a prosecutor the convnce a jury that you knowingly, willfully, and intentionally broke it. That is if it is even a law at all. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I'm sorry, what are you trying to say. Its 3am and I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. The face makes me think that you believe different than me. Link to post Share on other sites
ironmike82 0 Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 No! the face is directed at the people who wrote the idiotic laws banning certain types of mags, and then tried to go back and change things once they realized that they had screwed up. I'm of the opinion that if the law was clear cut and okay as is, then they would just leave it alone. Besides, if your hit with a couple of 12 guage rounds, do you really think your going to give a damn if three or five more come after them??? Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 OK, good answer. I totally agree with you on the ATF's habit of extracting new restrictions from old laws. (ex. Well we at the ATF think now that a pistol grip as described in the '94 ban ment to inlcude thumbhole stocks...blah blah) I like that line "Besides, if your hit with a couple of 12 guage rounds, do you really think your going to give a damn if three or five more come after them??? " The comedian Tim Wilson has a similar joke about 30rd magazines. My favorite one of his though is when he talks about gun control and taking guns away because of people getting killed, he says "there is already a law against killing people...it's called murder!" Link to post Share on other sites
ironmike82 0 Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 YEAH! no doubt. I think that passing a law everytime you think that something is not right is a great idea. After all, we've outlawed drugs, murder, child molesting and other stuff, and look at the outstanding sucsess we've had with that. Even if I wasn't a cop, i'd still order these mags because I don't believe them to be illegal. At least not untill they reword the law. If customs is letting them through, then how am I wrong. These tree hugging liberals should back off a bit and let the bong resin clear out of their heads long enough to see that if I'm going to obey the laws and not endanger anyone, then I'm probably not the one they should worry about!!! Link to post Share on other sites
rock47 1 Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Link to post Share on other sites
comp21 0 Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 so how much are the 8-rd 12ga and the 10-round 410 mags?? Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 8rd Saiga mags are not illegal nor have they ever been illegal in the USA. Possession of the magazines in conjunction with a Saiga Shotgun however can be misconstrued as conspiracy to assemble a prohibited assualt weapon. You can buy and import brand new USAS 12 magazines without any questions asked and they are for a weapon that has been classified as a destructive device. That is where we find the rub. The importers are afraid of having their popular shotgun classified as a destructive device and therefore take it upon themselves to limit the sale of the 8rd magazines to LE only. Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Would having a saiga and an 8rd mag be like having a post-ban rifle next to a preban magazine? Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Whats up assasin, you from england? Dito on the AWB thing, you can have them but you just can't use them. Link to post Share on other sites
JesusCow 1 Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 can you ask your source about 20ga mags? Link to post Share on other sites
thousand son 0 Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Hey Guys ,I have been reading your posts and have 1 or 2 files regarding institutionalized pergury with in the ATF- 1 is from a 1995 roll call and the other one is from somewhere else -I will attach them here so you guys can read them-kind of scary that the screwballs have the power they do! I can even dig up stories of a weapon that is ok,registered ,sold ,etc AND THEN later it is declared illegal,contraband,etc,guy thrown in the klink, and it is the same weapon being transfered at a later date to a neww owner!? Now granted this was a Class 3 but it can affect a 'normal' weapon also. I always enjoy the topics on the forums! BATF_Institutional_Perjury_Transcript_of_Roll_Call_Training_Tape.htm Link to post Share on other sites
thousand son 0 Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Here is the second one for sh**s and giggles batfinnacuracy.htm Link to post Share on other sites
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