Paramedic 0 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Hi, First post here but have been reading for a while. And I can't seem to find a definitive answer. I am looking to choke my gun, but I am not sure which would work the best. The three choices I see are the Russian kit on saigastock, the polychoke, and the screw on adapter from akbuilder that will accept winchokes. I have heard mixed things about the poly choke and very little on the other two. Is there a preference for either one? Oh, and I really don't want to mess with the hassle right now of getting a barrel internally threaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colon Terminus 61 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Go with the Polychoke. You won't be disappointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Depends on what your intended use(s) are. Each of the choices you mentioned have their merits. Welcome to the forum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Here's more info on the AK Builder choke adapters I'm carrying.... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=43443 They will also be available soon with custom milled ports in the sides of the adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I've got a polychoke - works well, but it's ugly - this looks interesting: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=141496659 I've got a bunch of remchokes. without the extended knurled part, the winchokes just seem too short to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillBilly2 9 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I've got a polychoke - works well, but it's ugly - this looks interesting: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=141496659 I've got a bunch of remchokes. without the extended knurled part, the winchokes just seem too short to me. If you've got a bunch of remchokes I can see why that one would be attractive to you. It's an inch longer, and costs twice as much, but at least it uses chokes you've already got. Winchokes are shorter, but they do work very well. I kinda like the shorter part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsky59721 3 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 go with the poly choke. Easily adjustable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i don't imagine there are too many people( if any that have them all) I would be very interested to know how the compare (on average) in terms of patterning. Also how do they compare to threading the gun internally? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I have the polychoke and it is ugly , but that's how I like it Oh yeah, works good, easy to use Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uechiguy 0 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I like my poly choke. Easy to adjust from slugs to shooting sporting clays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I also have a Polychoke. It works very well and I love being able to instantly adjust it by hand. Sure, using Win/Rem chokes with internal threading may work a little better, but I have no interest in the hassle of threading the interior of the barrel, nor of having to stop, take out a tool, and spend a min+ changing from one choke to another. To each his own, but my advice is to just buy a Polychoke and be done with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I've got a polychoke - works well, but it's ugly - this looks interesting: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=141496659 I've got a bunch of remchokes. without the extended knurled part, the winchokes just seem too short to me. If you've got a bunch of remchokes I can see why that one would be attractive to you. It's an inch longer, and costs twice as much, but at least it uses chokes you've already got. Winchokes are shorter, but they do work very well. I kinda like the shorter part. There seem to be more types of chokes available in remchokes for less $$$$ than winchokes - and a longer choke is well known to deliver better performance. As I said, the Polychoke seems to work well to change your choke quickly, but when I did pattern mine, it wasn't very uniformly spread, and it tended to run a choke or so "lighter" than what the choke indicated. I think it's OK for buckshot, but I don't think it's as good as a regular fixed choke for anything else. And to top it all off, as I said, the damn thing is ugly. YMMV. As far as length, the 19" barrel on the S12 with any/all of the options really isn't an issue for me. I've got an SBS S12 for that. I was thinking about getting a choke adapter to use my saiga 12 with a rifled tube as a deer slug gun instead of my 870 rifled barrel I've got - I figure a 5-round mag of slugs beats the pump (don't think 20 slugs is required. . . for deer), and I also think the S12 would be a kick ass turkey gun - that's why I patterned my Polychoke last spring. It had a crappy pattern compared to the remchoke extended turkey tube, so I used the 870 instead. But, with all the remchokes I've got, that choke adapter looks interesting. I might email that guy and see what the deal is on that remchoke adapter. It sure is the coolest looking option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I also have a Polychoke. It works very well and I love being able to instantly adjust it by hand. Sure, using Win/Rem chokes with internal threading may work a little better, but I have no interest in the hassle of threading the interior of the barrel, nor of having to stop, take out a tool, and spend a min+ changing from one choke to another. To each his own, but my advice is to just buy a Polychoke and be done with it. You don't need a tool. I don't. I switched back and forth between mine with the supplied flush fit full choke and the stock ring (when using slugs), and that only took a few seconds. just leave the choke in the adapter and thread the adapter on and off. It will stay put with a good hand snug. The knurling is pretty grippy. Admittedly it would take longer than the poly choke to switch between one choke and another, but you can get a lot more options with the adapter, including rifled chokes for the slugs. It would be cool if it took winchokes and looked like that one on gunbroker. I will probably be jealous of the fancy looking slotted ones that cobra just teased. As for the length of choke, there are a ton of winchoke options that extend past flush, so that seems to me a non-issue, unless it is important to you that the whole choke is inside the adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Hi, First post here but have been reading for a while. And I can't seem to find a definitive answer. I am looking to choke my gun, but I am not sure which would work the best. The three choices I see are the Russian kit on saigastock, the polychoke, and the screw on adapter from akbuilder that will accept winchokes. I have heard mixed things about the poly choke and very little on the other two. Is there a preference for either one? Oh, and I really don't want to mess with the hassle right now of getting a barrel internally threaded. Remchoke adapter inbound - I'll try to post a report next week. Straight shooting seller - will take it back AFTER I SHOOT IT if I don't like it. Told me he was going to relist it at $100 with a $125 buy-it-now, so we split the difference and he let me have it for $115 shipped (I hate that whole bidding BS). Never answered my question on how many he has - said "we had some made up for our guys and these were extras." Broke down and ordered an extended rifled tube as well. I've been casting some 1 oz slugs from a Lee mold - they turn out well - anyone have a favorite load for those that crimps well and will load and feed through an MD20 drum? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mutineer 0 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hey codebrown hurry up with that update on how that thing works. That looks sweet. I don't really mind that it's an inch longer and I have a bunch of rem chokes sitting around already. I'm interested on how that will work with slugs and a rifled tube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Got the Remchoke adapter - it is pretty sweet. We've got a youth hunt with the boys this weekend so I might not get to shoot it, but I'll be keeping it. The threads are perfect, it locks on solidly, my remchokes fit perfectly. Just what I need. Looks cool as a bonus. Well worth it to me. If you want one of these, I'd make the leap before he runs out - sounds like a short run, and he'll take it back if you don't like it. Doubt he's had any takers - glad I got it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawaii five-0 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Codebrown,I have used the Lee 1oz slugs.The load info that comes on the instructions is great and will work in the drum fine.W AA12 wads over Herco or blue-dot will get you 1590-1690fps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Codebrown,I have used the Lee 1oz slugs.The load info that comes on the instructions is great and will work in the drum fine.W AA12 wads over Herco or blue-dot will get you 1590-1690fps. five-0 - thanks - I've tried some loads with 800x and get a good velocity and seem to be accurate, but the crimps are touchy and I've been using a cut-off base of a 16 g. wad as a spacer over the slug to get a good crimp. What exact configuration have you had good luck with? CB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillBilly2 9 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Codebrown,I have used the Lee 1oz slugs.The load info that comes on the instructions is great and will work in the drum fine.W AA12 wads over Herco or blue-dot will get you 1590-1690fps. five-0 - thanks - I've tried some loads with 800x and get a good velocity and seem to be accurate, but the crimps are touchy and I've been using a cut-off base of a 16 g. wad as a spacer over the slug to get a good crimp. What exact configuration have you had good luck with? CB Your using a spacer over the slug? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Codebrown 1 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Codebrown,I have used the Lee 1oz slugs.The load info that comes on the instructions is great and will work in the drum fine.W AA12 wads over Herco or blue-dot will get you 1590-1690fps. five-0 - thanks - I've tried some loads with 800x and get a good velocity and seem to be accurate, but the crimps are touchy and I've been using a cut-off base of a 16 g. wad as a spacer over the slug to get a good crimp. What exact configuration have you had good luck with? CB Your using a spacer over the slug? Yup - the design of the Lee slug has it work best with the slug sitting down in the shot cup of a trap wad - the wad engages the rifling in a rifled barrel or tube and acts as a sabot. With a spacer in the wad under the slug (recc in lyman load book), I get erratic groups; with an additional spacer under the wad (gas seal or fiber wad) I get erratic velocities. I've tried different hulls and wads, and the best combo of crimp and groups works well with a spacer over the top of the slug in the wad. Anyway, maybe I'll search for a slug loading thread or start one instead of hijacking this guys post - sorry. THE REMCHOKE ADAPTER WORKS GREAT. Shot it with a box each of trap and pheasant loads, and a 10 rd mag each of 00 and #4 buck. I compared the patterns on some big pieces of cardboard (polychoke and Remchoke) - the patterns with the remchoke tubes were better centered and seemed more uniform. Then I shot the shit out of 4 pieces of cardboard, 5 rounds of buck apiece - one each without choke (std IZ-109 19" cyl bore), and then 1 each with remchoke adapter and imp. mod choke - made a hell of a difference, maybe was even too tight, but I was only shooting those at 20-25 yards. wish I would have had a camera. Whatever choke setup you choose, be sure to pattern your gun - it's enlightening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 We need an adapter reminiscent of a Warthog or Shark that will take readily available choke tubes. Hint, hint, Tony, Cameron. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sparky63 46 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 We need an adapter reminiscent of a Warthog or Shark that will take readily available choke tubes. Hint, hint, Tony, Cameron. definitely,i love my shark break but pulling it off to use a choke sucks. multi purpose brake wanted.thanks op,great topic . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mutineer 0 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 thanks for the up date on the rem choke adapter codebrown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cskinner2144 12 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I'm using the Poly Choke II from Mississippi Auto Arms. Great choke. Little bit of a pain in the butt to clean out those small slots but it works great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I'm using the Poly Choke II from Mississippi Auto Arms. Great choke. Little bit of a pain in the butt to clean out those small slots but it works great. Yep, the vented Polychoke II works very well. I got sick of the unnecessary added length and serious pain in the ass of cleaning the carbon out of the small, (and sharp!), vents, so I sold mine. I'm planning to replace it with a non-vented Polychoke II. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mutineer 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I have one of those Rem choke adapters coming from the guy on Gun Broker can't wait. Thanks for the heads up cobebrown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 If you have a little skill with a welder, and/or some money you can make that poly choke a lot less ugly... I did... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=38753 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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