Maniac Jack 2 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Hey fellas, got a bit of a question here. Whats with all you guys going crazy converting all your Saigas to pistol grip? I can understand the 7.62x39 model, and I can see the need if you happen to have two .308 Saigas to convert one to pistol grip. But doesn't anyone like the feel of a traditional rifle anymore? Is there one person who has kept the sporter stock on at least one of their Saigas, or have you all gone the way of the assault weapon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onepoint 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Well I don't have a real problem with the sporter style. I am just not crazy about the plastic stock. I have made a bunch of different stocks from thumbhole to pistol grip that drops in so I can change it back to factory configuration. Also if you cant stand the trigger pull, its about the only way to change it out , to convert to the standard AK config. I have a couple Saigas, one is the stock version and the other is working up to be my custom version of a battle rifle with features merged from different AK versions and custom parts. Saigas lend themselves to modifications because of their low cost to start with and after market part compatibilty. No wonder it has such a draw to tinkerers. Besides, I dont really care what other people do with their stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 I like the sporter style for heavier rounds. My S-.308 and S-12 will stay in the sporter configuration. The wifes S-.410 is converted and awaiting it's underfolder. When I can swing a S-7.62=39 and a S-.223 they wi;ll get converted. But everyone has their own taste and style-- do whatmakes YOU happy! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 I agree with GOB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 I still have mine standard. I like the feel of it as a sporter, but I like the look of the conversion better. I am still on the fence....maybe this summer I will break down and convert my 7.62. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 The sporter config is very akward. The AK was not meant to be like that and it puts everything in an odd position that just doesn't feel right to me. Besides, adapting it to pistol grip gave me a shorter OAL and a better balance point when I want to hold it with one hand; it's nowhere near as nose-heavy now. The new grip also allows for a better trigger, trigger control, and faster access to the safety (nice plus when hunting). If I had a choice, all my rifles would have a pistol grip, it's just a lot more comfortable imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scibaer 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 hey jack, i for 1 have and will keep my saiga in traditional rifle form.. i bought it for hunting, and the majority of my mods are towards that fashion. i will replace the cheap thin plastic hardware with nicely stained wood stocks, and have done some other mods like the bullet guide. theres not a pistol grip or folder plan set for my rifle, but i can see the need for such a conversion. sidestepping the ablility of the 7.62 being able to take a deer coversations and debates, my rifle is a hunting rig, setup for the michigan woods. cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onepoint 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 There isn't anything wrong with that either. I really like how the wood 308 stock feels and wouldnt change it if I had one. Now that you have it all set up for hunting you should buy that nice 5 round waffle mag from me that I have listed in the for sale forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scibaer 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 aye, i dinnae ken you had one for sale. i'd be intrested. i assume that its for 7.62 then ? the question i have is, is it a true 5 shot clip ? or has it been modified. you can send me an e-mail to .... scibaer at yahoo dot com, and we can swap info , i'll send the coins, you sned the mag, eh ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve 1 Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 I've kept the the sporter stock on mine. I call it the Sprack .... short for sporter-attack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Steve, what the heck is the LOP on that thing?! I know the sporter stock was almost too long for me to begin with (14"?), that thing must be in the 16" range! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jtoddellis 2 Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 I converted my S-12 and 7.62x39. I've left my wood .308 in sporter configuration. It is my hunting rifle. If I do convert it it would be to a wood thumbhole stock. I would only do that so I could put a better trigger in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maniac Jack 2 Posted March 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Well, the way I see it, I love my S-.308 22" wood sporter very much. So much, in fact that its become my main hunting rifle (its still fun to target shoot with it too), and I'd never dream about changing it. The trigger pull ain't too bad at all either. I deffinitely agree with GOB about larger caliber feeling a little bit better in a sporter config. I was thinking about getting a S-.410 and putting a pistol grip on it, and I'm dead set on getting a S-7.62x39 to convert it just so I can have a cheap and reliable Russian made AK-47. After that I might go with a short barreled S-.308 to convert it to a pistol grip, providing I can get hi-cap mags for it. I mean, what good is and assault weapon with an 8 rnd mag? But, say a S-.308 with a pistol grip and a 20 rnd mag? Now you're talkin'! I don't know, I might eventually later move the trigger up on my S-.308, like jtoddellis said, providing I can find a nice enough thumbhole stock for it. But I'm planning on wearing out the stock its got now before that happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uber_maus 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 i love my saiga 308 in the sporter configuration. i just wish i could stick a bayonet on it and get some hicap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve 1 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 RooK thats actualy a stock I removed from my Saiga 12 that I converted LOP is 16" with the added recoil pad. I have a 37" sleve leingth (knuckels drag on the ground). I just converted the 7.62x39 and threw it on untill I can get an Ace folding stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I hear ya on the Ace folder. If I wasn't strapped for cash, that with the no-tang mount would be my choice. I cannot, however, utilize a stock as long as yours. I find my Tapco '1" over standard AK stock length' folder to be a good fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunz4Fun 0 Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Could KYImports be standing in line? That would make sense. It stinks we cannot find what we want from Saiga here. Guess I should be grateful to have two. Wonder if they will copy Molot and make a 5.45x39? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TapperMan 0 Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 It's not so much converting, but rather reverting: they're getting put back into their originally intended form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownwood 11 Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Ive left my 308 carbine alone except for a 6x42 POSP scope and mount. I wanted a poor mans M1A carbine/scout and that's what I got. It has a psuedo industrial tactical look, but is sane enough to not scare the landowner at my hunting lease. He's a Vietnam vet and AKs kinda freak him out man! I like the feel of a standard rifle over a pistol grip config, but do admit the AK feels a little odd. Maybe I should pick up another one for $269 to do a conversion! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Believe me, once you've held it with the PG on it, you won't want a traditional stock. It makes the gun handle so much better it's unreal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chips 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Is there one person who has kept the sporter stock on at least one of their Saigas, or have you all gone the way of the assault weapon? how does a pistol grip make it any more of an "assault weapon" then a saiga with a sporter stock??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maniac Jack 2 Posted March 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Yeah, we all know anything could be called an "assault weapon." I mean, you could technically assault someone with a baseball bat and call it an "assault weapon." I just meant that that's what the configuration is called. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chips 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I just meant that that's what the configuration is called.well, now that i think of it, i really don't know what you would call it. i'm just givin' you a little bit of shit, because i'm not fond of the term "assault weapon" when it's being used when talking about semi-automatic sporting rifles i guess assault weapon style may be a little bit more appropriate... but don't listen to me - i ahvent slept in a long while and i'm a little out of it right now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maniac Jack 2 Posted March 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I deffinitely hear ya on that one. I'm not fond of the term "assault weapon" either. I mean, they call semi-automatic rifles with a pistol grip and hi-cap clips assault weapons, but what about a semi-automatic shotgun with 8 in the tube that shoots 50-70cal slugs? Couldn't that "assault" someone too? Pretty much anything is an assault weapon if you wield it right. The term "assault weapon" is a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chips 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I mean, they call semi-automatic rifles with a pistol grip and hi-cap clips assault weapons, but what about a semi-automatic shotgun with 8 in the tube that shoots 50-70cal slugs? Couldn't that "assault" someone too? i got in an argument with a guy on another forum. he reffered to the saiga-12 as a deadly weapon, but he thought a remington 1100 competition master was fine. i guess it doesn't mater that the competition master holds more shells and cycles just as fast Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RooK 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 When will people learn: it doesn't matter what a gun is, what it's called, or what it's purpose was, what matters is what the current owner uses it for. I don't think any of us are running around assaulting opposing forces with our firearms, just like Z06 Corvette owners aren't playing Le Mans while in city traffic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vjor 2 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) According to the Germans, it can look like one, smell like one and sound like one however, if it does not fire in full auto, it is not and assault weapon saigas are semi auto rifles, just like any other civilian rifle. Is like semi auto M11 if it do not fire full auto, it is just a big pistol,that looks like a sub machine gun. However, you can call it, what ever you want to call it, like people call magazines, clips and never know the difference between clips and magazines on a gun. Butt who am I to say anything. Edited March 30, 2005 by vjor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-RotorDemon- 0 Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 However, you can call it, what ever you want to call it, like peoplecall magazines, clips and never know the difference between clips and magazines on a gun. Butt who am I to say anything. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep I am trying to beat myself out of calling them 'clips' just because I am a gun n00b. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TPABA 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 I left my S12 sporty... no conversion necessary for hunting use... only additions are: green blackjack recoil buffer, 8-round mag, I want to add a sling and I'm thinking about changing the sight... but still just thinking about it... a rear peep sight with a front barrel sight sounds interesting... and expensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) I like the sporter style for heavier rounds. My S-.308 and S-12 will stay in the sporter configuration. The wifes S-.410 is converted and awaiting it's underfolder. When I can swing a S-7.62=39 and a S-.223 they will get converted. But everyone has their own taste and style-- do whatmakes YOU happy! G O B <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Saiga's low cost and AK platform compatibility makes them suitable for conversion. I wouldn't try some things on more expensive rifles or shotguns. I already added a peep sight on my rear cover. Tinkering with the Saigas is enjoyable and gives owners more pride in owning a rifle or shotgun which they modified to their taste. It also shows their modification skills. I'll add a stock with a pistol grip once I add US compliant parts. What idiotic laws designed to make felons out of decent people while criminals (and Shmuck Schumer) laugh at us. Edited June 11, 2005 by uzitiger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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