What is your companion side arm for your Saiga/AK?

[vintagedude88 16]

This is more a question for all you hardcore guys who have everything Russian (accessories) on your Saiga or AK. Just wondering what is your idea of a matching side arm for your Russian rifle. The Tokarev comes to mind but maybe there is something else different and better.

[RobRez 1,895]

I think these are handy. Tends to discourage criminal behavior upon sight.

No, actually I carry my 1911. Sorry, no cool or strange Ruskie pistol.

Edited February 18, 2010 by RobRez

[volkov 318]

saiga in a different caliber strapped to my back

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

This is more a question for all you hardcore guys who have everything Russian (accessories) on your Saiga or AK. Just wondering what is your idea of a matching side arm for your Russian rifle. The Tokarev comes to mind but maybe there is something else different and better.

 

Draco Pistol is the perfect companion to an AK

Edited February 18, 2010 by Klassy Kalashnikov

[vintagedude88 16]

This is more a question for all you hardcore guys who have everything Russian (accessories) on your Saiga or AK. Just wondering what is your idea of a matching side arm for your Russian rifle. The Tokarev comes to mind but maybe there is something else different and better.

 

Draco Pistol is the perfect companion to an AK

 

I have one myself. Thanks

 

Whats that red one? Is that to alert people that it isn't an "airsoft"?

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

I thought regular Draco was illegal in CA? Or you have the single-shot one with the welded-in-place magazine?

 

No idea on the color, I guess he just wanted to do something crazy with the color lol.

Edited February 18, 2010 by Klassy Kalashnikov

[David Mark 2,452]

For me its a Glock. I know I may hear a rash of shit but to me they are the AK of hand guns.

G17 has 17 round capacity, is super reliable and easy to clean and maintain.

Hi cap, easy maintenance and cleaning, readily available parts are all descriptions for an AK.

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

For me its a Glock. I know I may hear a rash of shit but to me they are the AK of hand guns.

G17 has 17 round capacity, is super reliable and easy to clean and maintain.

Hi cap, easy maintenance and cleaning, readily available parts are all descriptions for an AK.

 

Nalioth will be along shortly. I suggest you run while you still can!

[ktcm7271 999]

I think these are handy. Tends to discourage criminal behavior upon sight.

No, actually I carry my 1911. Sorry, no cool or strange Ruskie pistol.

 

See what happens when the AR-15 guys get their hands on something. Seriously though, I have a Yugo M57 in 7.62 x 25. It holds one more than the Russian T-33 making the handle a little longer. But I too carry the 1911. I have a Promag 40 round drum that I had to machine the hell out of to make reliable, and two 15 rounders that I machined aluminum followers for to make reliable.

[David Mark 2,452]

For me its a Glock. I know I may hear a rash of shit but to me they are the AK of hand guns.

G17 has 17 round capacity, is super reliable and easy to clean and maintain.

Hi cap, easy maintenance and cleaning, readily available parts are all descriptions for an AK.

 

Nalioth will be along shortly. I suggest you run while you still can!

 

Nalioth doesn't scare me, I stand by my statement.

 

P.S. Nalioth is OK in my book.

[Mullet Man 2,114]

3 mags and 44rds of .45acp in One of these....

 

[chevyman097 2,579]

My good ol 1911

[DogMan 2,343]

I just realized I don't know squat about Russian handguns. I guess that is because there are so many great pistols out there from just about anywhere. I don't know why it is but for some reason I think a Russian handgun might blow up in my face. I'd also be curious to know if there are any really good ones.

[ktcm7271 999]

I just realized I don't know squat about Russian handguns. I guess that is because there are so many great pistols out there from just about anywhere. I don't know why it is but for some reason I think a Russian handgun might blow up in my face. I'd also be curious to know if there are any really good ones.

 

These are the 3 best choices: My Yugo M-57 looks just like the T-33, but with a slightly longer handle and one more round. I hear the CZ-52'S are stronger and come in 7.62 x 25 or 9mm. Russian Spetznats still use the Makarov and they come with a cool self cocking quick draw holster.

[Mullet Man 2,114]

Those Makarov holsters are badass, cock, desafe and draw the weapon in a single downward motion!

Edited February 19, 2010 by Mullet Man

[BrutalGardener 205]

Makarov (PM) is sort of like the AK of handguns. Very rugged and (typically Russian) elegant in its design simplicity. It's also very soft-shooting, surprisingly accurate and has a nice trigger pull. Of course, the cartridge that it fires is considered to be under-powered today, with its low mag capacity and slow change speeds being other major drawbacks.

[chevyman097 2,579]

Man I saw a Russion Makarov at a pawn shop yesterday for 199. It was in great shape! Ive still been thinking about going back and grabbing it.

[camon 233]

A Walther P22. Because after blowing some fucker away with 20 rounds of OO-Buck/slugs the only appropriate thing to do is plink BB's at his mess.

[ktcm7271 999]

Makarov (PM) is sort of like the AK of handguns. Very rugged and (typically Russian) elegant in its design simplicity. It's also very soft-shooting, surprisingly accurate and has a nice trigger pull. Of course, the cartridge that it fires is considered to be under-powered today, with its low mag capacity and slow change speeds being other major drawbacks.

 

What do ya mean "under-powered"? It bridges the gap between 380 and 9mm, LOL! Hey chevyman, I'd have a real hard time passing one up for $200. If it comes with the quick draw holster, it's a no brainer. The ammo is cheap too. I'd probably give it to the wifey though.

[TO THE FLOOR IN A 63 121]

I usually don't carry but I have a choice of my sig P220 or my Hungurian R-61 which shoots 9mm Makarov of which I still have a case. It is small for a concealed carry and only cost me $110 some twenty years ago...only problem with it is I always cut the web of my hand when I shoot it.

[chevyman097 2,579]

Makarov (PM) is sort of like the AK of handguns. Very rugged and (typically Russian) elegant in its design simplicity. It's also very soft-shooting, surprisingly accurate and has a nice trigger pull. Of course, the cartridge that it fires is considered to be under-powered today, with its low mag capacity and slow change speeds being other major drawbacks.

 

What do ya mean "under-powered"? It bridges the gap between 380 and 9mm, LOL! Hey chevyman, I'd have a real hard time passing one up for $200. If it comes with the quick draw holster, it's a no brainer. The ammo is cheap too. I'd probably give it to the wifey though.

 

I have a bulgarian already. It doesnt come with anything but two mags, I always wanted a russian one, I have seen them go for way more so I figured it was a decent price but Im sleeping on it. It still just might follow me home lol

[bigsal 757]

Makarov (PM) is sort of like the AK of handguns. Very rugged and (typically Russian) elegant in its design simplicity. It's also very soft-shooting, surprisingly accurate and has a nice trigger pull. Of course, the cartridge that it fires is considered to be under-powered today, with its low mag capacity and slow change speeds being other major drawbacks.

 

Agreed.

[Tsm002 5]

If I have to match a combloc pistol...

 

My CZ-82

 

It's super accurate, holds 12 rounds, has a chrome lined polyganally rifled barrel and still has customer support and parts from CZ-USA (they were nice enough to send me a factory hardcase, manual and spare recoil spring EXTREMELY cheap!). It also has nice ambi controls and an ambi mag release!

 

Would go better with a VZ-58 but meh.

 

I'll take my cz-82 over my bulgy mak any day. Seriously. My only complaint is that it's a little thick for concealed carry.

 

Edited February 19, 2010 by Tsm002

[Arik 565]

TT33! Its like a mini AK. . Accurate, dependable, cheap ammo, surp ammo has nice penetration, commercial ammo available in FMJ, HP, safety ammo. I just wish someone would make a modern version with a double stack mag and modern sights.

[vintagedude88 16]

I thought regular Draco was illegal in CA? Or you have the single-shot one with the welded-in-place magazine?

 

No idea on the color, I guess he just wanted to do something crazy with the color lol.

 

The Draco has to be DROS'd with a single shot mag. Once the waiting period is done, it can be replaced with a 10rnd mag. Offcourse it has a maglock to be true to Kalifornia specs. I've already got mine fitted with a 10/30 metal mag (plastic Promags suck), Krapco quad handguard and a Krink style brake.

 

Whoa! I just found out that my local gun shop has Bulgarian Makarovs in 9X18 for $270. Should I get it?

Edited February 19, 2010 by FrustratedInCali

[BrutalGardener 205]

If I have to match a combloc pistol...

 

My CZ-82

 

It's super accurate, holds 12 rounds, has a chrome lined polyganally rifled barrel and still has customer support and parts from CZ-USA (they were nice enough to send me a factory hardcase, manual and spare recoil spring EXTREMELY cheap!). It also has nice ambi controls and an ambi mag release!

 

Would go better with a VZ-58 but meh.

 

I'll take my cz-82 over my bulgy mak any day. Seriously. My only complaint is that it's a little thick for concealed carry.

 

 

My buddy owns a CZ-82 and loves it. It definitely seems like a nice little gun. It's sort of like the 9x18 mm version of the venerable CZ-75. It's too "refined" and has too many parts in order to be considered to be the "AK of handguns", IMO. As far as PMs, you don't need a spare parts supplies for those, because there's not much to break.

[BrutalGardener 205]

I thought regular Draco was illegal in CA? Or you have the single-shot one with the welded-in-place magazine?

 

No idea on the color, I guess he just wanted to do something crazy with the color lol.

 

The Draco has to be DROS'd with a single shot mag. Once the waiting period is done, it can be replaced with a 10rnd mag. Offcourse it has a maglock to be true to Kalifornia specs. I've already got mine fitted with a 10/30 metal mag (plastic Promags suck), Krapco quad handguard and a Krink style brake.

 

Whoa! I just found out that my local gun shop has Bulgarian Makarovs in 9X18 for $270. Should I get it?

 

The stock of surplus Maks had dried up in the past few years and up until recently, you could only get them at pawn shops, gun shows or gunbroker, where they were often way overpriced. It seems like Century had recently imported more of them. AIM Surplus has them for $270 too. $270 for a very good condition Bulgarian surplus Mak locally (no shipping and transfer fee), seems like a good deal to me. They could be gone again soon.

Edited February 19, 2010 by SpetsnazGRU

[Arik 565]

Gunbroker is the worst by far. Firs of half their Makarovs arnt really Makarovs but CZ82, P64, PA-63 along with other random 9x18 guns.. Second even the real Makarovs are $300 and up. Plus cheaper guns like the Polish P64 that go for $160-$180 at AIM, J&G and even the gun shows are around $250 or worse on gunbroker.

 

If you can get the Bulgy Mak for $270 without the shipping fees do it. If you don't like it there is a big market for them you could always sell it. Besides the Russian and Chinese Make are now banned from import and the E German and Bulgarian are drying up fast.

[Tsm002 5]

Aren't the ruskies moving towards a more conventional 9mm handgun? I seem to recall reading that somewhere awhile back, think it was small arms review in an article of some 9x19mm ruskie pistol or another.

 

Seem to remember they detailed some very...interesting...9x19mm ammunition that had been developed by the Russians to make the round more relevant as it applies to body armor.

 

What he said about getting the maks. The prices are getting absurd.

 

I still kick myself for not getting an original Simson-Suhl german MAk when they were widely available.

Edited February 19, 2010 by Tsm002

[zaxon_182 44]

I pack my Glock 20, but I'm looking into a Colt Delta Elite