xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I got my s12 in the mail yesterday, first shotgun I've owned. I went straight to walmart and purchased some winchester white box 2 3/4 1oz #9 shot. I've tried it once with the gas setting on 1 and FTE 5 of 5 rounds. My question is, should I try it on 2 or go swap out the remaining boxes I have for a heavier shot? I read somewhere that these wont cycle anything smaller then 8 shot. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 They will not take returned ammo. Check how many gas ports you have. Get atleast medium brass shells and shoot at least 100 rounds. Read this forum and have your bolt polished by Paulski or learn to do it yourself. Your gun should shoot the cheap stuff once you do these things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 You should use setting 2 for wallmart bulk. That could be the only thing wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Mine cycled Federal bulk 100% out of the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Bridis 319 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I've got mine tuned down to the $21.00 per 100 rnd, WalMart Federal Bulk. No FTEs or FTFs.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pimpjuice 0 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 My S-12 will run walmart 100 round value packs of remington and fed even winchester universal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Ok, thanks for the replies. Ill try it on 2. I also picked up a couple boxes of slugs so I should still be able to have some fun if the winchester just wont cooperate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Just remember to apologize to your shoulder before firing the slugs. lulz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I got my s12 in the mail yesterday, first shotgun I've owned. I went straight to walmart and purchased some winchester white box 2 3/4 1oz #9 shot. I've tried it once with the gas setting on 1 and FTE 5 of 5 rounds. My question is, should I try it on 2 or go swap out the remaining boxes I have for a heavier shot? I read somewhere that these wont cycle anything smaller then 8 shot. Thanks. I would recommend running a few boxes of full power loads through it (on setting 1) to break it in. Then try the low brass stuff you have on setting 2. If it still does not cycle reliably, try some 7 1/2 shot, 1 1/8 oz. and at least 1200 fps. I like the Federal and Remington 100 rd. bulk packs, never tried the Winchester. BTW, I don't think you can return ammo, but I've seen stranger things happen at wally world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Just remember to apologize to your shoulder before firing the slugs. lulz I've shot my fiances Mossberg 500 with slugs before, im really hoping the saiga has less recoil then that does. I also think im going to attempt a conservative bolt polish tonight. First mod I've ever done to a firearm. Wish me luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Doesnt it explain the gas settings in the OWNERS MANUAL?? I cant remember but i swear it does. Sorry, I have nothing to add, except stay away from winchester universal. and #1 for high power loads like buck and slugs and #2 for everything else! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Be careful with that bolt! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Doesnt it explain the gas settings in the OWNERS MANUAL?? I cant remember but i swear it does. Sorry, I have nothing to add, except stay away from winchester universal. and #1 for high power loads like buck and slugs and #2 for everything else! It might, I read the gas settings post on here instead of sifting through the manual. It suggested to try light loads on one, and if it didn't cycle to switch to 2, just be sure to switch back to 1 for slugs. I only had a few minutes before I had to head out, so I turned it to one and it failed those 5. I was hoping id be one of the lucky ones who could run anything on 1. And ill be very careful with the bolt! Im terrifed to do it so im gonna do as little as possible as suggested in the bolt polishing thread. I figure I have to pop my firearms disassembly cherry sometime as im ordering all the parts to do the conversion myself late next week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Looks like this guys runs pretty good with Winchester Universal bulk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNt0GpaZBtA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Who makes those clear mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-222/Surefire-Saiga-12-magazines/Detail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Mine has eaten anything I've fed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Mine will run anything... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Just finishe polishing the bolt. Went better then id hoped. I meant to snap a few pics but I forgot untill it was all back together. Im going to pick up a few more boxes of slugs to run through it before I try the birdshot again. Headed to go shooting tomorrow morning, ill post the results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danklab 57 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Mine cycles anything just fine. Pretty much any light load. She now cycles cheapo Rio Royal Buckshot as well.. but didn't pre-conversion for some reason. Use setting #2 for your low powered loads.. birdshot.. etc. Use #1 for anything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Looks like this guys runs pretty good with Winchester Universal bulk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNt0GpaZBtA What is the shot size, weight, and velocity of the ammo your using in the vid ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akkalish 1 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 If everybody would just take Paulski's advice about resizing the gas port holes your shotgun will function anything (lightload) you fire on setting two. I even went as far as slightly modifying the gas plug for setting two works great and not over gassed on setting one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 If everybody would just take Paulski's advice about resizing the gas port holes your shotgun will function anything (lightload) you fire on setting two. I even went as far as slightly modifying the gas plug for setting two works great and not over gassed on setting one. Resizing the gas ports is sometimes necessary, but is the solution of last resort. I would make sure that I have reduced friction and binding first. Over gassed equals more wear and tear on the mechanism and causes is own problems. Many of these problems are not as easily correctable as the failure to feed light loads. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) in short? anything besides LTL. Edited January 28, 2011 by psl sniper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Since Cadiz Gun Works uses Federal Bulk 1 1/8oz from wally world for there warranty work. I use Remington or Federal, it's 23.00 for a hundred rounds. If you try anything lighter than that you will probably have cycling issues. That's the cheapest ammo I will use in mine.. Edited January 28, 2011 by Rangerguy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xbmxxx 5 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Cycled through 60 slugs on 1 with only a few FTE, but still had a 100% fte using the winchester 1oz #9. Im going to start the conversion late next week, so ill polish some stuff up in there while I have it torn apart and hope I have the same result that danklab had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Cycled through 60 slugs on 1 with only a few FTE, but still had a 100% fte using the winchester 1oz #9. Im going to start the conversion late next week, so ill polish some stuff up in there while I have it torn apart and hope I have the same result that danklab had. Dude your gun is NOT going to cycle that crap. Winchester is notorious for not cycling in a S-12, especially 1oz crap. Go to wally world and get Federal or Remington 1 1/8oz 7.5 birdshot bulk pack. Do NOT use Winchester. ETA: I guarantee Danklad will not cycle 1oz winnie reliably. Edited January 29, 2011 by Rangerguy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BruisedShoulder 7 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I use Wal-Mart ammo, but only Remington or Federal. What you have described is fairly common for Winchester ammo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Looks like this guys runs pretty good with Winchester Universal bulk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNt0GpaZBtA What is the shot size, weight, and velocity of the ammo your using in the vid ? This is my baseline testing ammo. If it doesn't at least run this 100% in stick mags, it isn't running well yet. I can run Federal Multi-Purpose 100% reliably with MD-20s. I haven't tried the Winchester Universal with the MD-20s since I relieved the extractor slot. I have a couple of videos with a couple different Saiga 12s and MD-20s, but the soft Winchester hulls were catching in the extractor slot. ETA 2: Ooops.... just read the OP again and didn't realize he was using 9 shot. I haven't tried any of that yet. Mine may not cycle it either, but I will try a box or two of it and will post video if it runs. ETA: Ranger, His might not cycle that crap, but mine will Edited January 29, 2011 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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