MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I was just thinking.. Are these things strong? Seems like the only issues people are having ( think early 2001 models ) are with the pistons. Anyone have issues with the trunnion? What about receivers cracking? Are the barrels strong? Can they withstand drops on the muzzle end? Can they bend? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmzzl 146 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I was just thinking.. Are these things strong? Seems like the only issues people are having ( think early 2001 models ) are with the pistons. Anyone have issues with the trunnion? What about receivers cracking? Are the barrels strong? Can they withstand drops on the muzzle end? Can they bend? If my car broke in half, I'd weld a Saiga 12 to the bottom of the frame. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugmbARIVtM 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rustynail 0 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 That video says it all! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Saiga abuse ^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Haha I remember seeing that video, but I forgot it was with S12s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Ak-47 49 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Gotta love the guy who cheers after blasting some rounds... classic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So you dont think the barrel could bend from being dropper on the muzzle end or thrown? Reason Im wondering is because this thing is pretty thin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So you dont think the barrel could bend from being dropper on the muzzle end or thrown? Reason Im wondering is because this thing is pretty thin. Anything is possible! Try it. If it bends, i'll buy your S12 as a parts gun. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 haha. the little bit it may bend I think wouldnt be noticeable. How could you tell if its bent, guessing use a level Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 The barrel is pretty strong. Explosions go off in it all the time. Can it be bent, yea. Dropping it is not going to bend it tho. But try not to drop it, it is disrespectful to the saiga gods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 haha, True. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugmbARIVtM This sums it up perfectly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? There's plenty of members here who have an absurd amount of rounds through their S12's, and I don't recall reading about any catastrophic failures. Aside from cracked op-rods, but IIRC, it was a manufacturing defect, as opposed to wear-n-tear. Hell, I think BVamp is still running his S12 he got in 2003 or so. I can't remember exactly, but I do remember him saying that he's had one of his S12's for a very long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? There's plenty of members here who have an absurd amount of rounds through their S12's, and I don't recall reading about any catastrophic failures. Aside from cracked op-rods, but IIRC, it was a manufacturing defect, as opposed to wear-n-tear. Hell, I think BVamp is still running his S12 he got in 2003 or so. I can't remember exactly, but I do remember him saying that he's had one of his S12's for a very long time. yea, i was thinking we probably have members here who have put lots of rounds through their saigas. ive only been here a short time, but i havent seen anyone mention failures due to this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Its a Kalashnikov... does any more need to be said? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcmacconnell 25 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 3000 rounds of high and low brass. Mostly with MD20 mag dumps. No issues here! Still running strong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 i figured if SHTF, the saiga 12 will outlive you and will outlive the guy who picks it up after you, and the guy who picks it up after him and so on and so forth. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? JUST TODAY I did a test with my slow-mo camera. I did some slow-mo video of JUST the action of the bolt carrier slamming the trunnion using different types of rounds and my MDA gas plug. I collaborated the videos together and put some music to it and even labeled what rounds were being fired and what setting my gas plug was on. The idea was inspired (who I give all credit to for the idea) to forum member EVLBLKWPNS. I'm waiting on the video to upload on youtube right now and it's taking forever...but as soon as it's finished, you can bet I'll be posting the shit out of that. I have had THOUSANDS of rounds through my S12's and a lot of those "thousands" have been high brass. There has been no problems to the bolt carrier or trunnion. The thing is made to take a lifetime of serious physical abuse to the max. I made the vid in slight hopes of debunkifying the "myth" that your trunnion will take "damage" from shooting high brass rounds. I only used Remington 2 3/4 00 Buck, Federal wally world bulk pack and Winchester Universal...because that's all I had. I guess I could have used a wider variety, but the point is, the bolt carrier still slams into the trunnion with NO ISSUES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? JUST TODAY I did a test with my slow-mo camera. I did some slow-mo video of JUST the action of the bolt carrier slamming the trunnion using different types of rounds and my MDA gas plug. I collaborated the videos together and put some music to it and even labeled what rounds were being fired and what setting my gas plug was on. The idea was inspired (who I give all credit to for the idea) to forum member EVLBLKWPNS. I'm waiting on the video to upload on youtube right now and it's taking forever...but as soon as it's finished, you can bet I'll be posting the shit out of that. I have had THOUSANDS of rounds through my S12's and a lot of those "thousands" have been high brass. There has been no problems to the bolt carrier or trunnion. The thing is made to take a lifetime of serious physical abuse to the max. I made the vid in slight hopes of debunkifying the "myth" that your trunnion will take "damage" from shooting high brass rounds. I only used Remington 2 3/4 00 Buck, Federal wally world bulk pack and Winchester Universal...because that's all I had. I guess I could have used a wider variety, but the point is, the bolt carrier still slams into the trunnion with NO ISSUES Now maybe if you CONSTANTLY were running overgassed on slugs, 000 buck and heavy shit, I suppose perhaps the "life" of the firearm may be reduced quite a bit...but I still doubt it. The bolt carrier would have issues before trunnion would. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 well i put 12 tons of force on the barrel and it didnt bend! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 well i put 12 tons of force on the barrel and it didnt bend! LOL. How'd you do that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 a press lol. my gasblock was tighter then anything i have ever pressed before it took maxing out my home press to pop it off, i have a 40 ton press at work but i cant walk in with a shotgun haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 a press lol. my gasblock was tighter then anything i have ever pressed before it took maxing out my home press to pop it off, i have a 40 ton press at work but i cant walk in with a shotgun haha Wouldn't be worth your time to try if you f***'ed your gun up. 12 tons is a lot of force. I'd just be happy it didn't bend or break and have extreme confidence in the Russian ingenuity of your S12 now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? JUST TODAY I did a test with my slow-mo camera. I did some slow-mo video of JUST the action of the bolt carrier slamming the trunnion using different types of rounds and my MDA gas plug. I collaborated the videos together and put some music to it and even labeled what rounds were being fired and what setting my gas plug was on. The idea was inspired (who I give all credit to for the idea) to forum member EVLBLKWPNS. I'm waiting on the video to upload on youtube right now and it's taking forever...but as soon as it's finished, you can bet I'll be posting the shit out of that. I have had THOUSANDS of rounds through my S12's and a lot of those "thousands" have been high brass. There has been no problems to the bolt carrier or trunnion. The thing is made to take a lifetime of serious physical abuse to the max. I made the vid in slight hopes of debunkifying the "myth" that your trunnion will take "damage" from shooting high brass rounds. I only used Remington 2 3/4 00 Buck, Federal wally world bulk pack and Winchester Universal...because that's all I had. I guess I could have used a wider variety, but the point is, the bolt carrier still slams into the trunnion with NO ISSUES thats awesome to hear man. i really liked the first video you posted up, and i look forward to seeing your other videos. metal and slow motion firing a saiga. hell yea!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agro 0 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugmbARIVtM hahah Pauly, where do you find this shit. Perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 this is an interesting question, especially regarding the overall durability of the action and rear trunnion. does anyone know of any tests performed to see how everything holds up after many rounds were discharged? JUST TODAY I did a test with my slow-mo camera. I did some slow-mo video of JUST the action of the bolt carrier slamming the trunnion using different types of rounds and my MDA gas plug. I collaborated the videos together and put some music to it and even labeled what rounds were being fired and what setting my gas plug was on. The idea was inspired (who I give all credit to for the idea) to forum member EVLBLKWPNS. I'm waiting on the video to upload on youtube right now and it's taking forever...but as soon as it's finished, you can bet I'll be posting the shit out of that. I have had THOUSANDS of rounds through my S12's and a lot of those "thousands" have been high brass. There has been no problems to the bolt carrier or trunnion. The thing is made to take a lifetime of serious physical abuse to the max. I made the vid in slight hopes of debunkifying the "myth" that your trunnion will take "damage" from shooting high brass rounds. I only used Remington 2 3/4 00 Buck, Federal wally world bulk pack and Winchester Universal...because that's all I had. I guess I could have used a wider variety, but the point is, the bolt carrier still slams into the trunnion with NO ISSUES Well............we're waiting!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugmbARIVtM hahah Pauly, where do you find this shit. Perfect. ummmmm It is the Izhmash Saiga demo video... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
btr 15 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 One member did post pics of a gun that had the pins holding the barrel in break or fall out- the barrel shifted forwards in the reciever. Someone said it was a "safety feature" to allow the gun to fail in way that would not hurt you if subjected to a dangerous load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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