Buffers ???

[Foxtail207 23]

I've seen some ads on various AK47 rifle parts websites for items called "buffers", and as a newbie, I'm wondering...

a.) what are they for?

b.) where do they fit?

c.) is one really needed (on a Saiga)?

[kresk 10,063]

They are supposed to prevent you from beating up the rear trunnion of the rifle. They go at the rear of the recoil spring before the return spring guide. If they were necessary Gen. Kalashnikov would have put one in there. They may interfere with cycling, causing short stroking. Save your money.

[fauxknight 30]

They may interfere with cycling, causing short stroking. Save your money.

 

Caused mine to short stroke with everything up through buckshot, only slugs were still able to cycle, wished I would have just saved the money.

Edited May 28, 2011 by fauxknight

[RoughRider666 47]

Ive even heard cases of them even doing damage to your receiver over time...

[kresk 10,063]

Although I agree with all of the above, remember this thread is about rifles, not the shotguns.

[fauxknight 30]

Although I agree with all of the above, remember this thread is about rifles, not the shotguns.

 

Yeah, wasn't paying attention to which heading it was under when I replied. Still, I'd suggest skipping the buffer for the rifles as well.

[Foxtail207 23]

Thanks guys, sounds like I can spend my money on something else!

Edited May 29, 2011 by Foxtail207

[berma051 3]

do buffers count as 922r ??

Edited May 30, 2011 by berma051

[rob-cubed 74]

do buffers count as 922r ??

 

Nope, not 922r.

 

And as others said, they are unnecessary and can cause more problems than they intend to solve over time. If your rear trunnion is getting battered, you should look into a stronger spring instead.

[patriot 7,197]

Buffer (n)

 

desc.

 

 

 

 

A block, usually of rubber or plastic, designed to be placed in the rear of a firearm not designed to need one.

 

Gives your bolt something to slam against, transferring energy to the rear of the receiver. Causes jams, short-cycling,

 

Designed to sell, not to cure a problem, other than lightening your wallet.

 

 

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Interesting.

I have run buffers in both the 308 and 39R Saiga.

Few hundred rounds on each and only sweet recoil reduction goodness.

 

I will tell you this much:

First get a good one, pretty sure Midway carries a quality buffer.

Next install it correctly, some people take short cuts and well the results are not acceptable.

Then test the rifle adequately after install to insure all is good.

Keep a spare though I have not seen an wear to date.

 

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

[chevyman097 2,579]

Interesting.

I have run buffers in both the 308 and 39R Saiga.

Few hundred rounds on each and only sweet recoil reduction goodness.

 

I will tell you this much:

First get a good one, pretty sure Midway carries a quality buffer.

Next install it correctly, some people take short cuts and well the results are not acceptable.

Then test the rifle adequately after install to insure all is good.

Keep a spare though I have not seen an wear to date.

 

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

 

Or you could just be a man and enjoy the recoil....or buy a .223

Edited May 31, 2011 by Chevyman097

[Scott Kenny 144]

Well, I'm getting a buffer and a higher-rate recoil spring for my PSL. The only factory ammo she likes (PPU 150gr) seems to be beating the hell out of the rear trunnion. If the buffer causes problems, I'll pull it.

 

I think the only saiga that might need a buffer is the S12 or S20, and since those use springs the same length as a 1911, get a stouter spring first!

[kresk 10,063]

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

Remember, it's Kakashnikov's design, not yours.

[zaco 1]

Interesting.

I have run buffers in both the 308 and 39R Saiga.

Few hundred rounds on each and only sweet recoil reduction goodness.

 

I will tell you this much:

First get a good one, pretty sure Midway carries a quality buffer.

Next install it correctly, some people take short cuts and well the results are not acceptable.

Then test the rifle adequately after install to insure all is good.

Keep a spare though I have not seen an wear to date.

 

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

 

Or you could just be a man and enjoy the recoil....or buy a .223

 

Or you could be a real man and hit them with your fist

[pjj342 632]

I have a blackjack buffer for my x39. I needed it when I got my saiga, it seemed like the factory config let my carrier slam back off my trunion. When I did my conversion I couldnt notice the 'slap' at all when I fired, so I took it out. It seems like my factory hammer pushed on my carrier less than my texas ak hammer that I used in my conversion. That is what cut down the speed of my bolt carrier as it came to the rear. Before my conversion, when there was a 'slap', the buffer worked just fine, with no problems. If you can hear/feel the steel on steel slap, use the buffer IMO, or maybe a new recoil spring.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Interesting.

I have run buffers in both the 308 and 39R Saiga.

Few hundred rounds on each and only sweet recoil reduction goodness.

 

I will tell you this much:

First get a good one, pretty sure Midway carries a quality buffer.

Next install it correctly, some people take short cuts and well the results are not acceptable.

Then test the rifle adequately after install to insure all is good.

Keep a spare though I have not seen an wear to date.

 

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

 

Or you could just be a man and enjoy the recoil....or buy a .223

 

Or be a marksman and reduce that time between shots getting back on target.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

Remember, it's Kakashnikov's design, not yours.

 

So you have a select fire rifle?

He borrowed most of the ideas from the Germans so maybe its their design?

 

He paid for it, trained on it, totes it, cares for it, depends on it, it is his damned rifle.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Rhodes1968

[kresk 10,063]

Last but least remember this aint Kalashnikov's rifle, its yours.

Remember, it's Kakashnikov's design, not yours.

 

So you have a select fire rifle?

He borrowed most of the ideas from the Germans so maybe its their design?

 

He paid for it, trained on it, totes it, cares for it, depends on it, it is his damned rifle.

Logical fallacies. Not gonna waste any more time on it. G'day.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

If you really need to try one out, shoot me an IM and I will send you mine that I don't use.

 

You too will discover it isn't necessary on a properly setup weapon.

Edited June 2, 2011 by BuffetDestroyer

[RobRez 1,895]

Recoil on a 7.62x39?? Do these even HAVE recoil?? Mine seems fine, even my S- .308 is fine on recoil. Unless you are made out of RICE PAPER you should never even need a Buffer!

You should be good to go.....unless you look like this!

[RobRez 1,895]

This lil'fella has no problem with recoil!!