arjandommisse 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Did anybody had a broken bolt carrier? Just broke where the treaded part start for the gas piston. I will try to weld it but do any of you know of the 410 saiga has the same bolt carrier?? I'm looking for a replace ment Thanks Adriaan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 We need to see some pics of this, please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 How to attach a pict? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 OK I figered it out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saiga 12 power 31 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I figured these would be strong. How many rounds has been thru the gun?? Any 3 in rounds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I have this gun for 1 year only comp. ammo is used I would estemate 4000/5000 rounds. 75 to 100 rounds a week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saiga 12 power 31 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I would try asking pauly. He seems very knowledgeable when it comes to this kinda stuff (bolts&carriers) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm sure it can be welded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 If you're going to try to weld it, I'd use 4130 rod (TIG weld it or if you're really good Stick weld it, but TIG would be better because it should be pre-heated. MIG doesn't penetrate well enough & gas will not oxidize the 30-XPA chrome-manganese steel well enough for proper fusion.), then heat it to 1150 degrees (mapp gas or oxy-gas tourch & use a temp-stick to tell you you're there) & quench in an alkaline solution. Google how to make water alkaline. grind down through about 1/2 way through the steel to ensure penetration, or crank up the amps. You want to ensure 100% penetration. Also, I'd remove the op-rod before welding; http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/71772-how-to-install-a-tom-cole-heavy-duty-op-rod/page__view__findpost__p__697399 You can clean the threads afterward with an M12x1.25 tap. I've done some carrier & bolt repairs, but this isn't something I'd be interested in having a hand in due to the lower crack & liability issues. I'd check if it's covered under warranty before you do anything. Good luck brother.. BTW, How big are your ports, did you mess up & fire high brass on setting 2? There have been cases of gasses rising during the steel manufacture which can cause gaseous pockest, so it may be covered under warranty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 did you mess up & fire high brass on setting 2? I was wondering the same.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rctreadaway 4 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The couple recent threads that have popped up really have me considering an auto plug. Can anybody state whether this is user error or maybe just a bad batch of carriers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
guncats 4 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 sounds pretty normal to me, the carrier is not designed to last forever, 5000rd is a lot of rounds. even at the lowest $0.25/rd, that is over $1200 worth of ammo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The couple recent threads that have popped up really have me considering an auto plug. Can anybody state whether this is user error or maybe just a bad batch of carriers? While I think the Autoplug is a awesome piece of equipment and all of my Saigas including my race gun have one, I don't think this is anything but a defective bolt carrier. Normal operation should see these last a long long time. I have well over 5000 rounds through 2 of my 3 Saigas and haven't seen these kinds of issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Looks like that has been Bubba'd. The end is broken at a thread, the metal was over hardened and is quite brittle. Heat it red and let it air cool before you work on it, that will detemper the metal and make it soft enough to work on.If you can, screw a copper or carbon screw in before welding. That will save the threads. You may have to thread a copper rod, but that is the easiest part. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 question? does your bolt carrier on the UNDERSIDE tword the REAR of it, have a "nipple" sticking down? what is the year of manufacture of your shotgun? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Ok thats allot of info let me see, I never used High brass or buckshot in the gun. slug I load my self have the same recoil as the winchester dubble A 1300 fs. I have the auto plug from TAC-47 installed. Ports are modified by Robert Wright I bought the gun last year about July 2010 wrealy don't know about the nipple. If it was under warranty were do I claim this? Also can you buy this part?? Thanks for all your help every body. Adriaan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Ok thats allot of info let me see, I never used High brass or buckshot in the gun. slug I load my self have the same recoil as the winchester dubble A 1300 fs. I have the auto plug from TAC-47 installed. Ports are modified by Robert Wright I bought the gun last year about July 2010 wrealy don't know about the nipple. If it was under warranty were do I claim this? Also can you buy this part?? Thanks for all your help every body. Adriaan Was/is this an R&R competition Saiga with the shortened gas system/mid length brake etc? If it is, I am pretty sure I can explain why the carrier broke. Jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Ok thats allot of info let me see, I never used High brass or buckshot in the gun. slug I load my self have the same recoil as the winchester dubble A 1300 fs. I have the auto plug from TAC-47 installed. Ports are modified by Robert Wright I bought the gun last year about July 2010 wrealy don't know about the nipple. If it was under warranty were do I claim this? Also can you buy this part?? Thanks for all your help every body. Adriaan Was/is this an R&R competition Saiga with the shortened gas system/mid length brake etc? If it is, I am pretty sure I can explain why the carrier broke. Jack Never mind, I looked at the pic of the broken carrier/op rod and it is a stock op rod. Jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just to make sure, could you post a pic of the shotgun? That kind of damage of the carrier is generally from either battering or deflection. Boring night, just curious. I see your profile pic is of someone shooting competition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes it is a competition shotgun, we shoot shotgun every thursday at the WAC in Florida. Plus all the 2gun 3gun's we shoot in this area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes it is a competition shotgun, we shoot shotgun every thursday at the WAC in Florida. Plus all the 2gun 3gun's we shoot in this area. It has a stock length gas system, so the problem wouldn't be from deflection. Could just be plain old metal fatigue. Good luck finding a replacement carrier, they are not readily available. Jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yep thats is what i toughd, one more question does the saiga 20 or 410 has the same bolt or are they different ? Last question is does someone have a saiga 12 bolt carrier collecting dust, please email me arcat@tampabay.rr.com. Thanks Adriaan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yep thats is what i toughd, one more question does the saiga 20 or 410 has the same bolt or are they different ? Last question is does someone have a saiga 12 bolt carrier collecting dust, please email me arcat@tampabay.rr.com. Thanks Adriaan Different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes what a try to ask is can you interchange a bolt carrier from a saiga 20 with a siaga 12, or saiga 410. Or are these bolt carriers smaller ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Yes what a try to ask is can you interchange a bolt carrier from a saiga 20 with a siaga 12, or saiga 410. Or are these bolt carriers smaller ? No.They're quite different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arjandommisse 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 OK thanks guy's going to weld it as pauly explained Adriaan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rctreadaway 4 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Just out of curiosity, did you have a buffer installed? I'm leaning towards your thinking ninerider. I have a v-plug in mine. Just makes me think twice about making sure it's set correctly each time I shoot now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC913 324 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 The wear and tear shown on that carrier doesn't really look like it's from "normal use" to me. Looks like it's been jacked with. Just my .02. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) I have this gun for 1 year only comp. ammo is used I would estemate 4000/5000 rounds. 75 to 100 rounds a week. 5000 rounds is very small. I have one gun 20 000 rounds and no such problem. The history of breakdowns can be found here: http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/48/773172.html Edited November 2, 2011 by Sergii 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 OK thanks guy's going to weld it as pauly explained Adriaan Well, be careful, & that's not your HD gun any longer I hope. Or you could make lemonade out of lemons; If you ever thought about making an 8" SBS, now would certainly be the time. Just ditch the op-rod, build up the end of the carrier, have a ramp on the dustcover allowing it to get in the gas tube without slamming into the rear sight block & move the gas system way the heck back. Got lathe? If it's large enough, you don't even need to press out the barrel. Just use a good steadyrest & let the receiver spin Here's Bob & Tony's SBS Technical Info Thread if you're up for a project, or you could try moving the gas system way back & adding a mid barrel comp. Either way you could be more confident in that carrier than you would be with that lower crack having ever been there. That shit's just ugly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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