Waiting on OEM 8's

[csspecs 1,987]

I was talking about how making a product is a gamble.. Which is why it costs what it does for any given product.

 

It is why no one has tooled up to make copies of the factory 8 round mags.

 

I know what you're saying is true, but it just seems like there's such a big gap in a wide open market for an 8rd 12ga mag, only speaking for myself, I can't bring myself to use one of the surefire mags, they're just too hokey looking. The factory 8rd mags, even ready and willing to pay $180-$200 for a MAGAZINE, it's hard to find someone to hand my money to! The looks you get when you tell someone a magazine costs that much....

 

From a business perspective I can see why you'd make the 8rd 20ga mags 1st, but from a gun enthusiast perspective I can't. Like the Vepr .308's they're cool guns, but I just don't see the following like I see for the Saiga 12's. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one of each and would buy your mags if I did, but the reality of it is, I own 3 Saiga 12's instead.

 

(hope I didn't come off like an ass in either post, in re-reading my 1st one it could be misconstrued as such, but it wasn't my intent)

 

Well from a business prospective the S-12 is the market.. The S-20 was done because I wanted some stinking mags for the gun, same with the vepr. Rifle was great but not having spare mags was lame... I'm starting to get an itch to shoot some 12 gauge again, but all I have is 5 round mags, so I'll have to fix that.

 

Saiga newbie. That is pretty much the advantage, factory mags are valued because they are better, I'd say they are roughly 80% stronger... I really want one however I can't take $120+ out of my wallet to buy one, SWMBO said so.

[Saiga Newbie 14]

Geesh, that's pricey. And I thought Ruger mags were expensive. Where are the typical places one goes (via internet) to buy OEM mags?

[lelandeod 179]

I emailed Oleg and he said he doesn't expect to get any more Russian 8 rounders as they've gotten too expensive. Someone is going to have to start producing a US made replica of these mags.

 

 

Pagine Mike D.!!!

 

Damn, then I'm glad I just picked up these two Russian 8s! I I too had long been waiting for the prices to come down, but finally just bit the bullet and went OEM. I wonder if there will be more of a demand for domestically produced magwell magazines now that we're importing 030s?

 

I thought you picked up factory 8 round rock and locks!? You got magwell 8's? Wait a minute.... what are we talking about here... magwell mags or rock and lock mags?

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

OK, second question (and I hope it's not as dumb as my first one on this thread): other than the cool factor and being made of more robust material than the domestically-made mags, what real benefit do the OEM Saiga 12 magazines provide to the normal guy?

I suppose it depends on your perspective. They are basically mil-spec items vs. not. They are OEM vs. not. It is like the difference between a HK MP5K folding stock for $275 vs a Choate folding stock for $130. I suppose they both do the job but some folks are more demanding than others and willing to pay the price. I use OEM 8 rd mags and my shooting buddy uses SGM & Promag. We are both happy as clams with our choices. Make a decision and don't ask for others to approve of it. Best I got.

 

1911

[DogMan 2,343]

Why do you buy good beer when the cheap stuff will do the job. Why would anyone buy $2,000 dollar watch when a much cheaper one will keep just as good time. Why would anyone marry a beautiful woman when an ugly one........OK, never mind that one. The point is, can your life ever depend on having a better beer or a fancier watch? Some things are worth spending as much as you can possibly afford to have the best. Here are some more: ......Parachutes, Condoms, Brake pads, Smoke Alarms, Brain Surgeons, Women, Lawyers.

[Floyd9 30]

Why do you buy good beer when the cheap stuff will do the job. Why would anyone buy $2,000 dollar watch when a much cheaper one will keep just as good time. Why would anyone marry a beautiful woman when an ugly one........OK, never mind that one. The point is, can your life ever depend on having a better beer or a fancier watch? Some things are worth spending as much as you can possibly afford to have the best. Here are some more: ......Parachutes, Condoms, Brake pads, Smoke Alarms, Brain Surgeons, Women, Lawyers.

 

All of that sounds VERY expensive. I usually save money on brake pads and smoke alarms, the cheap ones seem to do the job just fine. Course.....I am driving an '83 chevy truck at the moment. As for women...well...they all look the same in the dark .

[Saiga Newbie 14]

Thanks for the perspectives, mates. I guess I would be interested to find some OEM mags now that I understand the difference between them and the polymer ones.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

At one time, I had ten pairs of Oakleys, at that moment in my life I also owned two different Alienware laptops. Nothing but the best would do for me, and I was willing to pay for it. Since then, I've matured and realized that I can buy many more "regular" products for the price of one that is "the best". I'll never do a push up on my S-12 with the mag baseplate in the dirt so AGP will do for me fine. That leaves more Izzys for y'all, win/win!!!

Edited January 29, 2012 by Caged

[DogMan 2,343]

Why do you buy good beer when the cheap stuff will do the job. Why would anyone buy $2,000 dollar watch when a much cheaper one will keep just as good time. Why would anyone marry a beautiful woman when an ugly one........OK, never mind that one. The point is, can your life ever depend on having a better beer or a fancier watch? Some things are worth spending as much as you can possibly afford to have the best. Here are some more: ......Parachutes, Condoms, Brake pads, Smoke Alarms, Brain Surgeons, Women, Lawyers.

 

All of that sounds VERY expensive. I usually save money on brake pads and smoke alarms, the cheap ones seem to do the job just fine. Course.....I am driving an '83 chevy truck at the moment. As for women...well...they all look the same in the dark .

Expensive yes, but those are all things that can cost you a lot more if you're not willing to spend the money up front. If I'm going to have something that squeals, shakes, grinds, and gets hot when I pump them, I want it to be my women and not my brakes.

[sunnybean 939]

The metal reinforcements are a huge plus to the factory R&L mags. Knowing that youR mag isn't going to crack or break when it's cold out and you're shooting high brass would be a huge piece of mind if your life was depending on it. Check out this old thread that DistalRadius started of Xrayed mags...

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/37889-x-rays-of-saiga-12-magazines/page__p__339138__hl__Xray__fromsearch__1#entry339138

[Saiga Newbie 14]

Sooo, where do you get OEM mags when they are in season?

[netpackrat 566]

At one time, I had ten pairs of Oakleys, at that moment in my life I also owned two different Alienware laptops. Nothing but the best would do for me, and I was willing to pay for it. Since then, I've matured and realized that I can buy many more "regular" products for the price of one that is "the best". I'll never do a push up on my S-12 with the mag baseplate in the dirt so AGP will do for me fine. That leaves more Izzys for y'all, win/win!!!

 

And I've reached a point in my life where I am tired of spending money twice because I bought crap. Once, buying the crap, and again, buying what I should have bought in the first place. I spent a couple hundred bucks on US made magazines for my S-12, and they were crap. Now I have the Izzy 5s, and that's all I am going to have (other than the MD-20 which is excellent but not really practical), until I can get some Izzy 8s, or somebody in the US starts making a decent 8 round magazine.

[Saiga Newbie 14]

These look promising. Maybe csspecs will start making these in 12 gauge. I'd rather buy USA made to keep people here employed if they are equivalent to Russian made

http://stores.csspecs.com/-strse-21/Saiga-20-gauge-8rd/Detail.bok

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

At one time, I had ten pairs of Oakleys, at that moment in my life I also owned two different Alienware laptops. Nothing but the best would do for me, and I was willing to pay for it. Since then, I've matured and realized that I can buy many more "regular" products for the price of one that is "the best". I'll never do a push up on my S-12 with the mag baseplate in the dirt so AGP will do for me fine. That leaves more Izzys for y'all, win/win!!!

 

And I've reached a point in my life where I am tired of spending money twice because I bought crap. Once, buying the crap, and again, buying what I should have bought in the first place. I spent a couple hundred bucks on US made magazines for my S-12, and they were crap. Now I have the Izzy 5s, and that's all I am going to have (other than the MD-20 which is excellent but not really practical), until I can get some Izzy 8s, or somebody in the US starts making a decent 8 round magazine.

 

See, win/win, I don't spend an exceesive amount of money on mags, and I'm not buying up the ones you want. I'm not saying that Izzy 8's are impractical, if you like them, great! I just can't justify spending that much money on ONE mag, hell that's why I only have one MD-20. My AGPs have done everything I've asked of them so far which is more than I can say for the Surefire I bought...

 

It's all about mediation for me, I don't need the most expensive mags or parts on the market, but I don't buy the cheapest either... my gun and my cars have taken every bit of abuse that I've given them and while I treat the gun waaaaay better than I treat my 'vette, the philosophy has worked for me so far and I'm not as deep in debt either...

 

These look promising. Maybe csspecs will start making these in 12 gauge. I'd rather buy USA made to keep people here employed if they are equivalent to Russian made

http://stores.csspec...-8rd/Detail.bok

 

I wouldn't mind trying a few out but that 2 3/4" only thing is a bit of a turn-off. I've really got no problem with it but I can see how it would hurt sales.

Edited January 29, 2012 by Caged

[sunnybean 939]

 

These look promising. Maybe csspecs will start making these in 12 gauge. I'd rather buy USA made to keep people here employed if they are equivalent to Russian made

http://stores.csspec...-8rd/Detail.bok

 

I wouldn't mind trying a few out but that 2 3/4" only thing is a bit of a turn-off. I've really got no problem with it but I can see how it would hurt sales.

 

The 20 gauge and .410 mags differ from the 12 gauge in that they pretty much have to be size/length dependent. It is pretty much impossible to get a 2 3/4 shell to feed reliably in a 3" mag.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

These look promising. Maybe csspecs will start making these in 12 gauge. I'd rather buy USA made to keep people here employed if they are equivalent to Russian made

http://stores.csspec...-8rd/Detail.bok

 

I wouldn't mind trying a few out but that 2 3/4" only thing is a bit of a turn-off. I've really got no problem with it but I can see how it would hurt sales.

 

The 20 gauge and .410 mags differ from the 12 gauge in that they pretty much have to be size/length dependent. It is pretty much impossible to get a 2 3/4 shell to feed reliably in a 3" mag.

 

Oops, I didn't see that it was a 20 gauge mag. DERP!

[csspecs 1,987]

Yeah we tried to make it do both sizes but there is a reason the factory makes two sizes of magazine for the 20 gauge and .410.

I think that when we make the 12 it will take both sizes.. Then down the road a little we will make a 2 3/4 only for greater reliability with 2 3/4 shells.

[Saiga Newbie 14]

Yeah we tried to make it do both sizes but there is a reason the factory makes two sizes of magazine for the 20 gauge and .410.

I think that when we make the 12 it will take both sizes.. Then down the road a little we will make a 2 3/4 only for greater reliability with 2 3/4 shells.

 

Citizen, any estimate on when you might to start producing these mags for the Saiga 12? I'm not in a hurry but will hold off and wait for yours if you've got a time in mind. I realize that is would only be an estimate.

Thanks

[Samal 18]

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic.ru/price/zip/saiga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/index.php?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop.ru/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,110/category_id,29/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,36/

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic....iga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/ind...?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop...mart/Itemid,36/

I may not be 100% correct, but...

1st one is Izmash Saiga 12 8rd rock-n-lock

2nd is Izmash Saiga 12 8rd for magwell

3rd is Molot/Vepr 12 8rd for magwell

Edited January 29, 2012 by ChileRelleno

[Samal 18]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

[randyf 35]

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic....iga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/ind...?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop...mart/Itemid,36/

According to that and this: http://rub.fx-exchange.com/usd/2231-exchange-rates.html it looks like the 8 rounder rock and lock goes for just under 75.00 USD. So with shipping and the rarity factor I can see why the prices are what they are. Maybe someday I'll bite the bullet and go for one. After all they are hands down the best looking of the sticks.

 

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Put me down for a couple of the 8rnd rock and locks

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Izmash 8rd rock-n-lock... If I had the cash at the time, I would take atleast three.

[Samal 18]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Izmash 8rd rock-n-lock... If I had the cash at the time, I would take atleast three.

 

OK, let me see what I can do. cCrrently, I have 5 molot GK-01 muzzle brakes enroute at $160 shipped to ConUS - all sold out in 1 day, but might bring more

 

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic....iga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/ind...?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop...mart/Itemid,36/

According to that and this: http://rub.fx-exchan...ange-rates.html it looks like the 8 rounder rock and lock goes for just under 75.00 USD. So with shipping and the rarity factor I can see why the prices are what they are. Maybe someday I'll bite the bullet and go for one. After all they are hands down the best looking of the sticks.

 

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Put me down for a couple of the 8rnd rock and locks

 

I will need to run the numbers first, if my Russian guy takes $10 mark up and I take $10 markup, I think I can consolidate shipping to be maybe $15-20 per mag if I get 5 or so.

that should boild down to $110-120 shipped to ConUS.

would that be an attractive price?

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

I will need to run the numbers first, if my Russian guy takes $10 mark up and I take $10 markup, I think I can consolidate shipping to be maybe $15-20 per mag if I get 5 or so.

that should boild down to $110-120 shipped to ConUS.

would that be an attractive price?

Yes, $110-$120USD would be an attractive price.

I cannot committ today, I would need to get the cash in hand first... Dang, I wanted to get in those brakes too, but no cash in hand.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

Yeah we tried to make it do both sizes but there is a reason the factory makes two sizes of magazine for the 20 gauge and .410.

I think that when we make the 12 it will take both sizes.. Then down the road a little we will make a 2 3/4 only for greater reliability with 2 3/4 shells.

 

Citizen, any estimate on when you might to start producing these mags for the Saiga 12? I'm not in a hurry but will hold off and wait for yours if you've got a time in mind. I realize that is would only be an estimate.

Thanks

 

I'm down for a couple when you make 'em too, on the condition that the price is reasonable and I realize that a steel mag is going to be worth more than poly mags.

[627f 0]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

 

if you get some rock n lock i would get two

[Saiga Newbie 14]

Put me down for at least one, Samal.

[haugpatr 972]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Izmash 8rd rock-n-lock... If I had the cash at the time, I would take atleast three.

 

OK, let me see what I can do. cCrrently, I have 5 molot GK-01 muzzle brakes enroute at $160 shipped to ConUS - all sold out in 1 day, but might bring more

 

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic....iga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/ind...?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop...mart/Itemid,36/

According to that and this: http://rub.fx-exchan...ange-rates.html it looks like the 8 rounder rock and lock goes for just under 75.00 USD. So with shipping and the rarity factor I can see why the prices are what they are. Maybe someday I'll bite the bullet and go for one. After all they are hands down the best looking of the sticks.

 

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Put me down for a couple of the 8rnd rock and locks

 

I will need to run the numbers first, if my Russian guy takes $10 mark up and I take $10 markup, I think I can consolidate shipping to be maybe $15-20 per mag if I get 5 or so.

that should boild down to $110-120 shipped to ConUS.

would that be an attractive price?

 

I would take at least 2 rock n' lock and have cash in hand, just let me know when to send pay-pal!

[randyf 35]

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Izmash 8rd rock-n-lock... If I had the cash at the time, I would take atleast three.

 

OK, let me see what I can do. cCrrently, I have 5 molot GK-01 muzzle brakes enroute at $160 shipped to ConUS - all sold out in 1 day, but might bring more

 

is this wonderfull mag is the same as here?

http://www.zosoptic....iga12/1025.html

 

or this - for Russian magwell?

 

http://dmazay.ru/ind...?productID=5066

 

or this?

 

http://shooters-shop...mart/Itemid,36/

According to that and this: http://rub.fx-exchan...ange-rates.html it looks like the 8 rounder rock and lock goes for just under 75.00 USD. So with shipping and the rarity factor I can see why the prices are what they are. Maybe someday I'll bite the bullet and go for one. After all they are hands down the best looking of the sticks.

 

so which one would you get for $100? if I bring a bunch from Russia?

Put me down for a couple of the 8rnd rock and locks

 

I will need to run the numbers first, if my Russian guy takes $10 mark up and I take $10 markup, I think I can consolidate shipping to be maybe $15-20 per mag if I get 5 or so.

that should boild down to $110-120 shipped to ConUS.

would that be an attractive price?

OK I'm down let me Know