Razr 23 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Started getting occasional FTEs with Autoplug out of nowhere. Approximately one per 40-50 rounds. There was no issues for a few months after I installed it but I had to tighten it almost to the max. Getting FTEs even with slugs. Tried to shoot these shells that are 3.5 DRAM equ and ~1200/fps 7/8 oz load - every second round is FTE. http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/shotgun-detail.php?ammunition=14&product=177 Autoplug? Will try to shoot with Gunfixers plug this weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris71 12 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Im getting them too. I think mine is blowing gas around the plu and threads. im going to teflon tape it next time and see if that helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't have one, but I imagine it's possible that you have crud (plastic chunk) jamming in the spring or the valve itself and changing the valve spring tension, timing, or jamming the valve slightly open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razr 23 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I don't have one, but I imagine it's possible that you have crud (plastic chunk) jamming in the spring or the valve itself and changing the valve spring tension, timing, or jamming the valve slightly open. Interesting ... I will inspect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Having to bottom your plug out to get it to cycle means you are on the verge of your gun being undergassed. I would take a look at my ports and open er up a little, also time to clean out your ports sometime plastic gets crudded up with old powder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razr 23 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I have 4 ports, all are visible and fully open. I cleaned the gun and specially gas tube and ports before shooting yesterday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun12 205 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) I don't quite trust the autoplug just yet, i have the V Plug and i don't really use that wide of a variety of ammo so i don't have the need to use the Autoplug. As has been stated above i would suggest checking your gas ports for any debree or build up. Edited January 31, 2012 by Corruptz0rz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grommit666 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Also, try a different gas puc if you have one. I was getting FTE's with the twister puc before I realized that it was a piece of crap. It was a little too small for the gas block so gas was leaking past it, gas that sould have been used to cycle the action. No matter how tight I screwed down the auto plug it would still happen. When I went back to the stock russian puc I had no problems. In fact, my auto plug is now screwed almost all the way out. What a difference a puc makes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razr 23 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Going back to the stock puck will reduce 922 part count. But I'll try that. I have KA puck right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes but doing so is an indispensable way of troubleshooting and finding out where the TRUE problem lies... After you know what the problem is, you can go from there... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If your S12 will not run with an Autoplug and garbage ammo.... your S12 isn't running well yet and needs work. Very simple.... All of my Saiga 12s will absolutely raise hell with Autoplugs in them, not adjusted all the way in either. Yes, Win Universal bulk, Rem Sport bulk, and Fed Multi-purpose bulk.... in MD-20s. Nothing wrong with the Autoplug.... but there is something not quite right about your gun. The "Gunfixer" plug doesn't "fix" anything. It offers more adjustability of the EXISTING gas. I don't quite trust the autoplug just yet, i have the V Plug and i don't really use that wide of a variety of ammo so i don't have the need to use the Autoplug. As has been stated above i would suggest checking your gas ports for any debree or build up. I trust my weapons and my ability to make them run, therefore, I trust my Autoplugs.... all four of them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razr 23 Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Ok. I am back to business. Here is what I've done. Disambled Autoplug and cleaned it. Noticed that on the bottom of bolt carrier (where it toches the hammer) it's worn more on one side than on another. I took a bit of metal from the hummer and polished the bolt carrier. Factory puc was my last resort and I desided to give CSS puc a try. Ha-ha. I thought I had autoplug maxed out, but it was only 1/3 tight. So I tighten it to the half and tried with different ammo. Bulk Federal, Winchester Universal, light Federal load, S&B, 3 different buckshot loads and slugs. Overall I shot about 300 rounds using 5 round factory mag, 10 round AGP, 12 round SGM and 20 round MD drum. Not a single FTE. Woo-hoo!!! Also shot some clays. A lot of fun. And got a lot of looks and "what a cool gun". Edited February 5, 2012 by Razr 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Ok. I am back to business. Here is what I've done. Disambled Autoplug and cleaned it. Noticed that on the bottom of bolt carrier (where it toches the hammer) it's worn more on one side than on another. I took a bit of metal from the hummer and polished the bolt carrier. Factory puc was my last resort and I desided to give CSS puc a try. Ha-ha. I thought I had autoplug maxed out, but it was only 1/3 tight. So I tighten it to the half and tried with different ammo. Bulk Federal, Winchester Universal, light Federal load, S&B, 3 different buckshot loads and slugs. Overall I shot about 300 rounds using 5 round factory mag, 10 round AGP, 12 round SGM and 20 round MD drum. Not a single FTE. Woo-hoo!!! Also shot some clays. A lot of fun. And got a lot of looks and "what a cool gun". Very good. So, what do you think about that Autoplug now? BTW I told ya that thing needed work Welcome to the "HELL YES IT RUNS" Club!!!! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Razr 23 Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Autoplug is a great product. Simple and very good addition for Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boomstick12 11 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't quite trust the autoplug just yet, i have the V Plug and i don't really use that wide of a variety of ammo so i don't have the need to use the Autoplug. As has been stated above i would suggest checking your gas ports for any debree or build up. I got ripped in teh other thread for suggesting the V plug was better. This thread makes me happy. Think I'll go hug my V plug now. Autoplug is a great product. Simple and very good addition for Saiga. Great is a strong, debateable, word in this case. Between this story, a couple others I've heard, I like the V plug better. Oh, and before anyone spouts off about how I don't know what I'm talking about, I have two Saigas in my safe, one with a V plug and one with the Autoplug. The autoplug is great for range. For defense, when I NEED it run, when I need to know it'll cycle, I'll use the Saiga with the V plug. Just my .02 of course. Nothing less, nothing more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaloDave 19 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 My stock Saiga with the Auto Plug and Tapco Puck worked with Remington 7.5 Bulk from Wally World. But it was turned all the way in. I just got my parts back from Pauly on Saturday. I went to the range today every round stove piped or FTE. I tried Pauly's port gauges and the smallest at 0.070" would not go in to any of the ports. I was able to get a dental pick in all 4 ports and a 0.050" allen wrench in the ports. A 1/16" at 0.066" would not go in. It looks like I have to remove the gas block and open up the ports now. One other consideration is the ETAC Gas Tube Rail may be causing some excess friction. Malodave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Your ports are way small. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't quite trust the autoplug just yet, i have the V Plug and i don't really use that wide of a variety of ammo so i don't have the need to use the Autoplug. As has been stated above i would suggest checking your gas ports for any debree or build up. I got ripped in teh other thread for suggesting the V plug was better. This thread makes me happy. Think I'll go hug my V plug now. Autoplug is a great product. Simple and very good addition for Saiga. Great is a strong, debateable, word in this case. Between this story, a couple others I've heard, I like the V plug better. Oh, and before anyone spouts off about how I don't know what I'm talking about, I have two Saigas in my safe, one with a V plug and one with the Autoplug. The autoplug is great for range. For defense, when I NEED it run, when I need to know it'll cycle, I'll use the Saiga with the V plug. Just my .02 of course. Nothing less, nothing more. Your statement says a great deal about where your S12s are when it comes to reliability. I have 4 S12s with Autoplugs and I would not hesitate to use any of them for defense. They run.... If it won't run reliably with the Autoplug it isn't reliable to begin with. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Don't forget to put some blue loctite on your autoplug once you get it dialed in. You don't want to find that it has backed out when you need it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boomstick12 11 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I don't quite trust the autoplug just yet, i have the V Plug and i don't really use that wide of a variety of ammo so i don't have the need to use the Autoplug. As has been stated above i would suggest checking your gas ports for any debree or build up. I got ripped in teh other thread for suggesting the V plug was better. This thread makes me happy. Think I'll go hug my V plug now. Autoplug is a great product. Simple and very good addition for Saiga. Great is a strong, debateable, word in this case. Between this story, a couple others I've heard, I like the V plug better. Oh, and before anyone spouts off about how I don't know what I'm talking about, I have two Saigas in my safe, one with a V plug and one with the Autoplug. The autoplug is great for range. For defense, when I NEED it run, when I need to know it'll cycle, I'll use the Saiga with the V plug. Just my .02 of course. Nothing less, nothing more. Your statement says a great deal about where your S12s are when it comes to reliability. I have 4 S12s with Autoplugs and I would not hesitate to use any of them for defense. They run.... If it won't run reliably with the Autoplug it isn't reliable to begin with. My Saigas run fine. Never had a problem once the warranty work was done. But the Autoplug can fail. It's more complicated than the v plug. It's logic and common sense. You rely on something that is less likely to fail. Again, don't bother arguing with me, you're arguing against common sense and logic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 There....I guess he told you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) My Saigas run fine. Never had a problem once the warranty work was done. But the Autoplug can fail. It's more complicated than the v plug. It's logic and common sense. You rely on something that is less likely to fail. Again, don't bother arguing with me, you're arguing against common sense and logic. Thats your logic and common sense. Why did you have have warranty work done on your Saiga? Didn't you have the common sense to fix it yourself? Taking advice from someone who has to send their S12 in for warranty work isn't logical. Edited February 7, 2012 by Jetmech 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm a "money where my mouth is" type of guy. Are you still in FL? If so, I would like to challenge you to a gentlemanly wager. I'll bet three of my non-NFA S12s against your S12 with the V-plug that any of mine (your choice after inspection) will fire more rounds with no FTE than yours will while using MD-20s and any bulk ammo of your choosing. Yes, I will PROUDLY and CONFIDENTLY run an Autoplug. No argument here.... bring the factory mag, the box, the barrel nut wrench, a copy of your state issued DL, and a bill of sale.... I'll even buy the ammo and bring plenty of drums. I have a few.... 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm a "money where my mouth is" type of guy. Are you still in FL? If so, I would like to challenge you to a gentlemanly wager. I'll bet three of my non-NFA S12s against your S12 with the V-plug that any of mine (your choice after inspection) will fire more rounds with no FTE than yours will while using MD-20s and any bulk ammo of your choosing. Yes, I will PROUDLY and CONFIDENTLY run an Autoplug. No argument here.... bring the factory mag, the box, the barrel nut wrench, a copy of your state issued DL, and a bill of sale.... I'll even buy the ammo and bring plenty of drums. I have a few.... I don't think the man is going to take you up on your challenge 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Now now.... Let's give him a fighting chance here. Two of my S12s have 5.5mm triangle folders and the other has the TAC47 MAG12 magwell. They are all winners and run crazy good. Lots to gain for the OP. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think a truer test would be to use the same gun and each plug. Run one plug until failure. Clean gun and replace with the other plug. Run until failure. The plug that fails first looses. Comparing two different guns is ridiculous unless this is a gun builder build-off. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think a truer test would be to use the same gun and each plug. Run one plug until failure. Clean gun and replace with the other plug. Run until failure. The plug that fails first looses. Comparing two different guns is ridiculous unless this is a gun builder build-off. At the same time, use a mix of high & low brass shells without adjusting the plug. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think a truer test would be to use the same gun and each plug. Run one plug until failure. Clean gun and replace with the other plug. Run until failure. The plug that fails first looses. Comparing two different guns is ridiculous unless this is a gun builder build-off. At the same time, use a mix of high & low brass shells without adjusting the plug. No. Use as directed. It's not hard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think a truer test would be to use the same gun and each plug. Run one plug until failure. Clean gun and replace with the other plug. Run until failure. The plug that fails first looses. Comparing two different guns is ridiculous unless this is a gun builder build-off. At the same time, use a mix of high & low brass shells without adjusting the plug. No. Use as directed. It's not hard. The rules would be up to Evil & the guy who has to send his gun in for warranty work to get it to run right. What's his name again......Boomstick or something like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Whatever dude... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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