you can't win...

[gunfun 3,931]

The rules:

 

Step 1) Don't ask questions!!!! Search first. Use the googles!

 

Step 2) He posted on a 7 year old thread-- Let's git him! Necrophile... Observe my mastery of recycling old .gifs and JPEGS to illustrate how you are wasting my life.

 

Step 3) rinse and repeat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Step 4) Forget that you were making those mistakes about a year and a half ago.

 

step 5) forget that old threads that have useful content are worth reviving, especially tech and how-to threads.

 

step 6) complain when someone duplicates an old dead thread with old broken links because it has been done. If they look it up, go back to step #2!

Edited April 28, 2012 by GunFun

[thebuns1 4,323]

ahh hell. time to close the forum. i dont mind it so much. but sometimes we do beat the dead horse. and thats ok too, so long as folks are honest. integrity goes a long way. but not everybody admits to failing to use the search function.

[gunfun 3,931]

Idiot newbie posts are not half as obnoxious as that stupid horse macro that people post over and over.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

[timy 1,185]

I pretty much agree with GunFun on his points. I also try to answer newbie questions when I can. I've even posted "I don't know" when a question has languished unanswered for several days in order to bump the thread up and get an answer from someone who does know.

 

The new guys I do have a problem with are the ones who act like they own the place, or seem to have a chip on their shoulder from day one, are only here to knock the platform or forum members, or want to come across as "know it alls" except for the one question they have. I suppose it's all a matter of attitude. If you are respectful when asking questions, odds are more likely that you'll get an answer instead of a sarcastic remark.

 

The following post is how not to address a forum member when you have a grand total of 3 posts. Especially how not to address Russian Hammer as he doesn't mind being direct and explicit when answering you.

 

 

Russian Hammer, on 24 April 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

Glenn L, on 24 April 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

 

Arsenal Inc. product line out of Las Vegas Nv. Price was good

 

You're a Douche with a fitting profession!

[psl sniper 963]

this has all been discussed before. if you had used the search feature you would have known that . stop wasting our time. refer here first

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/63362-lots-of-new-members/

 

[Shotgun12 205]

A post about people posting about posts that have already been posted.

[XD45 7,124]

I feel like I've been rickrolled.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

I feel like I've been rickrolled.

 

Ricks everywhere are pissed now.......

[JRWperformance 17]

Hey....I have a saiga 12 and it wont cycle low brass on setting 1. Sould I just drill one giant hole in the gas block? Also, how many green lasers can I fit on my quad rail?

[Shotgun12 205]

In all fairness GunFun is right about people posting questions without searching. It is kind of annoying seeing the same post come up every week about not being able to cycle low brass lol.

[Ronin38 2,117]

Hey....I have a saiga 12 and it wont cycle low brass on setting 1. Sould I just drill one giant hole in the gas block? Also, how many green lasers can I fit on my quad rail?

 

1. Yes. 1/4" ought to do it. Be sure to drill one hole the same size in the top of the barrel, too, instead of those teensy, cheap little holes they come with.

 

2. Well, "Quad" meaning "four"... You can put 4 lasers on your Quad Rail. Or 3 lasers and a flashlight. Or 2 lasers (I recommend one green and one red), a flashlight and a vertical grip.

 

Edited April 28, 2012 by Ronin38

[timy 1,185]

Hey....I have a saiga 12 and it wont cycle low brass on setting 1. Sould I just drill one giant hole in the gas block? Also, how many green lasers can I fit on my quad rail?

 

Since you're relatively new I'll help you out.

 

Before drilling/adding holes run at least ten thousand rounds of high brass to make sure it's broken in. If that doesn't work, buy a shot shell reloader and transfer all your low brass innards into high brass shells. Add a bit more powder while doing so and you should be good to go.

 

The second question is a little tougher but I'll give it a shot. It boils down to either how much money do you have or how much rail do you have, or both. You'd probably be better off asking this one in the tech section though because it sounds pretty technical.

[pony_express1973 183]

I feel like I've been rickrolled.

 

Ricks everywhere are pissed now.......

 

And Rolled

[Mullet Man 2,114]

2. Well, "Quad" meaning "four"... You can put 4 lasers on your Quad Rail.

 

I would put 8 on it, 4 forward and 4 backward.

 

The old thread, same thread thing doesnt bother me as much as the stupid fucking stickies in most of the forums. Alot of the detailed fix it/repair it threads keep floating off into history while some of the most outdated non technical threads are pinned up.

[unclejake 428]

Seriously, if they won't fire on the number one setting, should I move it to the number two setting? LOL I just got to thinking, number 2 means it will run any s@#t through it. I don't think I got enough sleep last night!

[JRWperformance 17]

I just run it between the 1 and 2. Runs better that way. Especially after drilling the ports to 1/4 inch.

[dayofruin 425]

Help!!! Just got my sega 12 gage and it won't cycle Winchester from Walmart! This thing is junk. Knew I should have just gotten another AR...

[gunfun 3,931]

2. Well, "Quad" meaning "four"... You can put 4 lasers on your Quad Rail.

 

I would put 8 on it, 4 forward and 4 backward.

 

The old thread, same thread thing doesnt bother me as much as the stupid fucking stickies in most of the forums. Alot of the detailed fix it/repair it threads keep floating off into history while some of the most outdated non technical threads are pinned up.

 

Dang it you beat me to it. Don't forget tactical lights too. and there are offset mounts, so they might be able to add a few more. Maybe an Ipod with range data on it and a rangefinder. Those slugs drop off fast, so you should know exactly how high to hold at 178 yards with 2 3/4" sluggers.

 

@Pucsa-- I am suprised at the restraint here. I fully expected your post at #6 would be #2!

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

[Joseph 141]

you can get risers too!

[Bayoupiper 738]

The rules:

 

Step 1) Don't ask questions!!!! Search first. Use the googles!

 

Step 2) He posted on a 7 year old thread-- Let's git him! Necrophile... Observe my mastery of recycling old .gifs and JPEGS to illustrate how you are wasting my life.

 

Step 3) rinse and repeat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Step 4) Forget that you were making those mistakes about a year and a half ago.

 

step 5) forget that old threads that have useful content are worth reviving, especially tech and how-to threads.

 

step 6) complain when someone duplicates an old dead thread with old broken links because it has been done. If they look it up, go back to step #2!

 

 

 

 

Repost!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK

 

[gunfun 3,931]

I will state one behavior that annoys me for real with newbies and old hands both. When someone makes a 3 page long post with pictures, and a bunch of guys quote the whole post just to say they like it or to respond to just one sentence.

 

Dudes: When you qoute, delete the portions of the quote that don't add value to your post!

[psl sniper 963]

2. Well, "Quad" meaning "four"... You can put 4 lasers on your Quad Rail.

 

I would put 8 on it, 4 forward and 4 backward.

 

The old thread, same thread thing doesnt bother me as much as the stupid fucking stickies in most of the forums. Alot of the detailed fix it/repair it threads keep floating off into history while some of the most outdated non technical threads are pinned up.

 

Dang it you beat me to it. Don't forget tactical lights too. and there are offset mounts, so they might be able to add a few more. Maybe an Ipod with range data on it and a rangefinder. Those slugs drop off fast, so you should know exactly how high to hold at 178 yards with 2 3/4" sluggers.

 

@Pucsa-- I am suprised at the restraint here. I fully expected your post at #6 would be #2!

 

hey now i get it man, thats why i started that thread. the original story started when somone asked the usual "help my s12 wont cycle etc etc" well ye old tool linked him to the info he needed. the guy got all bent out of shape because he had to read the link. if you read further down i make note of the fact that everyone was new here at some point, and we should all have a little patience.

 

p.s. i sure hope you realize my post was a joke

[gunfun 3,931]

of course I knew you were joking. I agree with your assessment of that thread. For what it is worth, I am joking about a real issue too. I sit on both sides of the issue, which is about as close to John Kerry as I will ever be. I can laugh at both sides.

 

 

I tend to play devil's advocate frequently and lately the trendy views are to rant about stupid noobs. If a noob is being rude, I would call him on it. However, when 25 guys already called him on it, I see no need to join the dogpile. I have seen a number of times where someone will post the usual new guy questions and it will be unanswered for a few days. Once one guy posts something dumb then there is a zerg rush. People take more initiative to attack than to help. I want the first responses to a new guy to be helpful. Even if that new guy is stupid. A link to the proper thread is not a rude reply. "Use google you idiot" is. A link to the proper thread and a suggestion about how to build an effective search is the best.

 

I also think that people asking favors should be polite. (why not other times too?) If you ask for advice and then ignore consistent advice from a quorum of knowledgeable enthusiasts and professionals then you are an idiot and you are wasting their time. If you are a new guy, you might not be able to tell the knowledgable enthusiasts from the cranks who post frequently, so that one goes both ways. I think they are a lot less likely to listen to the technical considerations if we demand that they also agree with our aesthetic opinions and start by insulting their ignorance.

 

We've all been guilty of posting generic responses before we have properly read the whole original question. That makes things worse.

 

As I see it Makc sets the rules for the forum, The Mods enforce them. An OP sets the rules for her thread, and people should tailor their responses to answer the question asked.

 

Also we need to relax and see the big picture: It is his gun not yours. A sporting saiga is still a great gun. Properly converted Saiga 12> Tapco'd Saiga 12> OEM Sporting Saiga 12> 870/Mossy 500 & most all tube fed shot guns. The "idiot noob" is still more open minded and made a better purchase than 95% of shotgun users. He still is pretty smart. He also has a right to be mad if his gun does not work as advertised.

[unclejake 428]

HEY, just a thought, if 1/4" holes are good, then 1/2" hole should be better!!!

 

[Lone Eagle 839]

I feel like I've been rickrolled.

 

No, dude....NOW you've been Rickrolled.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

 

Edited April 30, 2012 by Lone Eagle