mohctep 1 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I need input to decide how to configure my Saiga 12 pg conversion. What do you guys think looks/functions the best. [i may add a red dot sight to the siderail].I noticed that not very many people seem to add a regular AK type buttstock-even in NATO length-Is there a reason for this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McUZI 1 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I need input to decide how to configure my Saiga 12 pg conversion. What do you guys think looks/functions the best. [i may add a red dot sight to the siderail].I noticed that not very many people seem to add a regular AK type buttstock-even in NATO length-Is there a reason for this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Black polymer fixed buttstock looks and works the best, IMO. If you want a folder, the Ace folder seems to be the best, but I haven't tried one myself and am only going on what others have said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmbswu 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 It would be nice if someone can make a *telescopic* folding stock! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fixerbob 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Since you mention it, I'll be working on adapting this one, if compatible: http://shop.safetysystemscorp.com/cgi-bin/...A1-B002001.html Also seen here: http://sageinternationalltd.com/si/wepacc/stocks-lg.gif Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avatar 4 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 It would be nice if someone can make a *telescopic* folding stock! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ace makes adapters that let you use an AR telestock or their SOCOM with the folding mechanism -- Folding and telescoping. If you really got some cash to waste a VLTOR might look really cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 As far as telescoping I had a CAR-15 type stock on mine from TAPCO. Then I went traditional and put the warsaw pact length black polymer on. IN ANY CASE: GET THE GRENADE LAUNCHING BUTTSTOCK PAD. Gives the length that feels right and a larger surface to seat in your shoulder. Mo'betta! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditchdigger 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Since you mention it, I'll be working on adapting this one, if compatible: I recently installed an Ace folder and took it to the game farm for "testing". Absolutley loved it. length of pull, recoil, control, all better than expected. 62 birds(out of 100 but not due to lack of proper equipment) for 5 of us and a great day of putting some rounds through my s-12. I would highly reccomend this stock. Also check out Ace's socom folder. If any one has this on an s-12 let me know what you think. Love my skeleton but the socom looks like an interesting option, and I think it telescopes. Actually I think all Ace stocks can attatch as folders and they have a couple telescoping models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Ace makes adapters that let you use an AR telestock or their SOCOM with the folding mechanism -- Folding and telescoping. Had an ACE Galil-type folder; hated it. Installed the ACE "pig nose" adapter and a 6-position AR stock; LOVE it!! I've long maintained that folding stocks are for storage, adjustable stocks are for shooting. I've got the FSE Krink-style nonfolding stock on my other Saiga-12. Like it well enough, but you might as well go with a standard AK stock instead (I happened to have mine laying around from a previous project). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Ace makes adapters that let you use an AR telestock or their SOCOM with the folding mechanism -- Folding and telescoping. Had an ACE Galil-type folder; hated it. Installed the ACE "pig nose" adapter and a 6-position AR stock; LOVE it!! I've long maintained that folding stocks are for storage, adjustable stocks are for shooting. I've got the FSE Krink-style nonfolding stock on my other Saiga-12. Like it well enough, but you might as well go with a standard AK stock instead (I happened to have mine laying around from a previous project). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I like the look of the AMD plastic pistol grips on those. Good use for them too, I know most guys don't use them on AKs because of parts count (not a problem in Saiga12) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditchdigger 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Steve, is that an Ultimak handguard? This might have been dicussed before but if it is, I am curious as to how you installed it. I've got a TDI on my 7.62 maadi with the tri rails and would like one on my s-12. I just haven't figured out a good way to do it. I'm pretty sure the TDI and Ultimak are very close to the same. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Steve, is that an Ultimak handguard? This might have been dicussed before but if it is, I am curious as to how you installed it. I've got a TDI on my 7.62 maadi with the tri rails and would like one on my s-12. I just haven't figured out a good way to do it. I'm pretty sure the TDI and Ultimak are very close to the same. Thanks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No that's the standard K-VAR USA black polymer lower handguard with the interior walls milled out to accept the wider barrel. You can see the way it looks like vents on the side when the material behind the slats is removed. Also pulled the heat shield of course. Made a very simple handguard retainer from a thick piece of sheet metal, bolts to the sling swivel and a hole I cut in the metal lip on the front of the handguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) Here's my project a while back. I made a receiver block and welded it to a shortened Galil folder with an ACE 1" pad. Also used the same US AK74 style hand guard from K VAR ( It's a little wider than some others as a lot of material has to be milled out in the rear). Tantals has a Tri rail AK 74 style hand guard, but I don't know if it's wide enough to cut on? I can't speak for other stock styles, but the Galil (actual, not Tapco copy) folding stock is rock solid and pulls from folded to open/locked very easily. GunBroker shopping found complete stock,less butt pad and fabricated block for $95. Tony Rumore had some weld on back plates for sale that might make a Galil stock mount up a little easier if your up to projects. Edited October 4, 2005 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I like the look of the AMD plastic pistol grips on those. Good use for them too, I know most guys don't use them on AKs because of parts count (not a problem in Saiga12) Actually, they're GALIL-style grips, and they're US made (from ACE). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I've got a Tapco telescoping on mine, I like it a lot. I don't say that about many things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I've got the ace folder and it is awesome. Mine is the small stock with 1in buttpad. When combined with the old style receiver block it makes a good length. I agree with steve467, the WARSAW length stocks are not only more traditional, but feel better to the shooter (IMHO). American stocks always seem too long to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mohctep 1 Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thanks for the AWESOME pics and input guys.Due to my own tastes,I guess I'm leaning toward something like Steve 467 posted-but THANK YOU ALL ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mohctep 1 Posted October 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Steve467-How do you get the recoil pad to stay on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Recoil pad stays on in various ways. If you're working with the skeleton triangle stock, it's a belt. Unfortunately, the pad doesn't fit snugly at all, so it moves around a lot and can slide off even with the belt. However, I'd suggest molding it to the stock with a resin of some sort. Then it stays on very well, and the resin acts to absorb even more shock. If you're working with non-skeletal stocks, it slips on snugly enough that it doesn't really fall off. If you need to, you can still cut a notch in your stock to pass the belt through. This is one of the many reasons I'd suggest the ACE over the triangle. The ACE has very secured recoil pads that aren't a pain in the butt to make fit. Also, that triangle is a SHORT stock...it's made for siberian soldiers in winter jackets. The ACE has a much better length of pull, IMO. However, nothing looks better than an AK with the triangular folder. Anyway, hope this helps. Have a good one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Steve467-How do you get the recoil pad to stay on? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Friction, it just stays on. Never had any problem with it coming off. Fits snugly on the polymer, but you need the strap on a skelton sidefolder. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 For the CAR stock, does it go on easily? Or is a stock adapter needed? Could I just get CAR Kit or would I need the adapter for the stamped or milled receivers? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I'm 5"4' (Asian genes) and the Warsaw length AK stocks are perfect for me. I put a shortened ACE stock with receiver block on my Saiga and it works really ok (and looks badass!) but if I'm not careful, the folding mechanism will bop me in the nose when firing heavy slugs. It's also absolutely unacceptable when prone (though I don't know how prone you can get with the 8rnd mag). I would REALLY like to go to the ACE internal block for this reason. Then I could push the folder mechanism out to farther away from my nose. I want to add a pig-nose adapter and M4-telestock so I can lengthen the stock when prone. A VLTOR would probably be "The coolest" stock you can put on the Saiga. Or maybe the MagPul AR stock, if you like the robot look. Can ANYONE tell me if the ACE internal receiver block can be used even if you don't cut the tang? I don't wanna cut my tang...:-( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 For the CAR stock, does it go on easily? Or is a stock adapter needed? Could I just get CAR Kit or would I need the adapter for the stamped or milled receivers? Thanks! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd go for the ACE adaptor over the TAPCO M4 stock with built in adaptor since the Tapco is plastic. We are talking about a shotgun here. Tapco makes that same stock for paintball guns which makes more since to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditchdigger 0 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Yeh, the tang must be cut to properly install the internal reciever block. In my opinion the Ace butstock is head and shoulders above the rest. If it was possible to standardize mounting, this would be the way to do it. I am by no means a design engineer, but I know an excellent design when I see it. Simple, effective, quality materials, and on top of it all when I was shopping for mine I called Ace and the owner(I assume) informed me that he was out of stock of the internal blocks, but he had no problem referring me to several of his distributers. The guy was top notch. Don't be afraid to lop off that tang and throw in an Ace block, there are several folding and fixed choices that can be installed and I get the feeling Ace will be in buisness for a long time to come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Steve467: How do you like that optic you have in the picture? It looks good to me and I was thinking of getting one. Is there a tint in the glass? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Steve467: How do you like that optic you have in the picture? It looks good to me and I was thinking of getting one. Is there a tint in the glass? Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I really like the PK-AS because it doesn't require batteries, makes a nice black dot with no battery, and a bright red dot with batteries. I also like the way the whole tube moves when you sight it in, instead of just moving the dot within the field-of-view. The dot is always centered in the optic regardless of how much you adjust it (which can be alot with AK sidemounts...) No tint noted on this. I must warn you though that the PK-AS-V is designed to be used either with the right eye in CQB with the head vertical or the left eye when a cheekweld is obtained. This is hard to get used to for some guys, but it's the Russian shooting style. I think the PK-AS-S is centered over the receiver in the traditional western style if that's what you are used to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mickporno 0 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 i like the non-folding krink stock.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 As far as telescoping I had a CAR-15 type stock on mine from TAPCO. Then I went traditional and put the warsaw pact length black polymer on. IN ANY CASE: GET THE GRENADE LAUNCHING BUTTSTOCK PAD. Gives the length that feels right and a larger surface to seat in your shoulder. Mo'betta! Ready to Rock! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Ace is the place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 i like the non-folding krink stock.... Arctic camo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistonring8 1 Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hey! that looks like winter cammo...Nice! Can we get an explanation and products used? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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