JeremyT 15 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 I love my 1919 but one little quirk I have is the crappy fore-end retainer cap. I can't get it tight enough without using a channel lock plier & a rag to try and keep from marring the cap itself. I'd like to see a replacement with a hex head or octagonal just something that I could grip better or even get a wrench on. Anybody else make this same gripe or am I just that guy out in left field again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duggr 13 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Drill a hole in the top or side,tap.and install a set screw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) You missed the point I was trying to make. I'd like to be able to tighten it with a wrench instead of a pliers. A set screw isn't needed because it doesn't work loose once it's tight enough. Edited March 24, 2013 by JeremyT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Firebird retention nuts are tightened with a 3/4 wrench, but they only work on our op rods not the factory ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duggr 13 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 ok I see....I was wandering would a twelve point socket possibly Fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TYBOY 33 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) I dont have one of these. If it is metal and you are wanting to use a wrench on it, you could just file or grind two sides down on the front and use a open end wrench. Edited March 24, 2013 by FORDGUY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Is that metal? If so have someone weld a bolt heat to it. I know I could clean it up enough to look factory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TYBOY 33 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 If the applied torque is not to great, you could also take a hacksaw to the end of it and make a slot for a large flat tip screwdriver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barely 5 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Or could a hole be drilled through it which a small screwdriver or allen wrench could be used for leverage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
QuickShot 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 I dont like the cap setup either. I've thought about drilling a hole through it for a screwdriver or rod to slide through. The threads underneath look awful shallow to me, So a wrench would need to be used lightly or it could strip the rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KIRCH76 12 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. guide rod, nut or both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter308 6 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Firebird retention nuts are tightened with a 3/4 wrench, but they only work on our op rods not the factory ones. Does your new billet lower require one of your guide rods? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. guide rod, nut or both? I'd say BOTH , looking for a good nut/thumb wheel , whatever you want to call it, that will both hold tight , yet easily removable. Preferably WITHOUT tools. Somebody finds something that we end up using, it will be good for a FREE guide rod replacement We're looking at a couple options still need to do some testing though , now GET TO WORK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter308 6 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 T&N, if you build a better cap situation, I'll buy it. Maybe one with four crossholes that would accommodate a modestly-sized screw driver. If sturdy metal that didn't get chewed up whenever the screwdriver was tightening it up was used to make the cap, I'd buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MKAVinny 4 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 You can spend hundreds on your gun.Why not buy some tools for it.This is what I use. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/shotgun-specialty-tools/magazine-tube-cap-pliers-prod13787.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Never seen those before but on this particular shotgun I'd still rather replace the cap. Although now that I know those pliers exist I'll probably still throw one in my cart next time I order from Brownell's. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwand 2 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I would expect the part to cost less than those pliers as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TYBOY 33 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 IMO $40.00 for a set of specialty pliers for this application is a waste of money. Wrap a rag or thin rubber around the cap and use some adjustable pliers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cguiro 29 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Why not dremel 2 flats spots parrerel to each other and find a open end wrench that fits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis 38 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Firebird retention nuts are tightened with a 3/4 wrench, but they only work on our op rods not the factory ones. Does your new billet lower require one of your guide rods? The guide rod attaches to the upper, so no our lower does not require our guide rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter308 6 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Firebird retention nuts are tightened with a 3/4 wrench, but they only work on our op rods not the factory ones. Does your new billet lower require one of your guide rods? The guide rod attaches to the upper, so no our lower does not require our guide rod. Gosh, you're right! I forgot!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wjs97m 0 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. guide rod, nut or both? I'd say BOTH , looking for a good nut/thumb wheel , whatever you want to call it, that will both hold tight , yet easily removable. Preferably WITHOUT tools. Somebody finds something that we end up using, it will be good for a FREE guide rod replacement We're looking at a couple options still need to do some testing though , now GET TO WORK These would be nice, but maybe a bit pricey http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/index.cfm/27825071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B2853524155 21.00 each Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dolomite_supafly 56 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 What about loctite and hand tight? Loctite works wonders on all kinds of things that work loose. Make sure to use blue loctite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. guide rod, nut or both? I'd say BOTH , looking for a good nut/thumb wheel , whatever you want to call it, that will both hold tight , yet easily removable. Preferably WITHOUT tools. Somebody finds something that we end up using, it will be good for a FREE guide rod replacement We're looking at a couple options still need to do some testing though , now GET TO WORK These would be nice, but maybe a bit pricey http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/index.cfm/27825071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B2853524155 21.00 each I would think something more like this. http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/index.cfm/27825071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B285350445A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Drill and tap the cap and the end of the guide rod. Then use a cap screw to hold it all together. In a really bad case, add a lock washer and that cap will not come loose until you want it to. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wjs97m 0 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 We will be offering some replacements around mid April. guide rod, nut or both? I'd say BOTH , looking for a good nut/thumb wheel , whatever you want to call it, that will both hold tight , yet easily removable. Preferably WITHOUT tools. Somebody finds something that we end up using, it will be good for a FREE guide rod replacement We're looking at a couple options still need to do some testing though , now GET TO WORK These would be nice, but maybe a bit pricey http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/index.cfm/27825071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B2853524155 21.00 each I would think something more like this. http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/index.cfm/27825071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B285350445A It would be a huge improvement over the factory nut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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