beerslurpy 1 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Want to convert my sporterized saiga12 over to a folding stock and pistol grip and shorten the barrel from 22 to 18 inches. Recommendations? I have so far come across mention of Tony Rumore/tromix (but cant find his website) and AK-USA (who hasnt responded to me yet, but is probably super expensive). I am located in Florida. If anyone can recommend based on price, turnaround time, quality of work etc I would appreciate it. Also, I welcome any caveats about currently active converters that butcher guns or steal (reminded of that Diamond Dave fiasco). I would hate to go with someone and then learn from the other members that the guy was a well known problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistonring8 1 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 From the reports of numerous happy shooters, Tromix is the way to go. www.tromix.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted December 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 From the reports of numerous happy shooters, Tromix is the way to go. www.tromix.com Awesome. I am a retard for not guessing his website name. Anyway, 350 dollars including parts and barrel shortening sounds dreamy. I guess I just go to UPS and ask for a gun-shaped box. How did you guys ship it? I assume an FFL is unnecessary because you arent transferring ownership. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hbsseller 3 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Tromix - you won't go wrong. It's a no brainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epsylum 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Tromix - you won't go wrong. It's a no brainer. Yup, haven't heard a single complaint about Tony's work. Plus he's a member here, so that's two good reasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Best bet is to search on UPS's website and it has some info on shipping guns. FFL is not needed, but there are a few things that must be done that are listed there. The main thing is you have to either call to have it picked up, or you have to go to a service center: not just any UPS place can ship a firearm. Be sure to get insurance!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarLynx 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I should think the best thing to do is give Tony a call/email etc & check which way he prefers it be delivered.....No FFL is needed for service & repair on a Saiga SG.....I have always preferred UPS..because most USPS people don't actually know the Laws & Regs & give ya a rash a BS..Also...The USPS people are worthless on delivering Firearms in my area....I've had the MAILBitch just leave $2000 MachineGuns at my Security gate giving access to anyone who wants it.....UPS usually admininsters a little bit more care & common thought...Then again...it depends on your area.....Therefore...whatever Tony tells ya...Carve it in stone... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted December 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Thanks guys. I shot tony an email. Assuming this goes forward as planned, I'll post pics when I get the gun back. After this, all I need is some 10 rd mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Definately Tromix. His prices are as awesome as his work for what you want done. That's a lot of work for $350. The parts alone for that conversion would run about half that I think. The Ace stock is expensive but worth it if you want a folder. I believe you will still need to line up an FFL to transfer the weapon back to you after the conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ctown 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You don't need an FFL because there is no transfer of ownership. Matter of fact, I have a Saiga 12 in Tony's shop this moment, can't wait to get it back!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 All of you guys that have Title 1 guns in here now, will be shipping back to you either Friday or Monday. 90% of the conversions have been completed on all the guns. One is waiting on a special length ACE stock, one for a Polychoke, and several are waiting on flash hiders. The hider hold up is for incoming raw material to make them. I should have all the stuff by the end of the week and I'll button them all up over the weekend. As far as the Title 2 guns go.........waiting on ATF paperwork as usual. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You don't need an FFL because there is no transfer of ownership. Matter of fact, I have a Saiga 12 in Tony's shop this moment, can't wait to get it back!! My bad, I thought you had to have an FFL to receive any gun in the mail no matter who owned it. That was dumb on my part because I shipped my Ruger sixgun off to them once and they sent it back to me. DUH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Hey. I always have to be the voice of dissent, I guess. I am in Miami. Two of the best AK people in the country are both in Ft Myers. One is Chris Butler at AK-USA, and then there is the guy that taught him and sold him his business, Don. I recently was introduced to him after a gun show. I am in the office now, but I will PM you with Don's info when I get home. Not only did he get AK-USA started, but he is pure personal service and quick turn-around, as well as an AK genius. He has done AKs as well as mostly class III stuff his entire life. . From what I have heard about Tromix, like so many other recent big boom 'smiths, I have heard that Tromix can back burner you. But regardless The guys I mentioned are the absolute best in the country, and just happen to be in FL with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billyj005 0 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 or you can do it yourself. its pretty easy. took me about 2 hours. all the info is on this board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Veen 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 I'm waiting to see if I get the parts for Christmas. If I do I'll probably attempt it myself. If not, I'm going to find $350 or so worth of crap, and ship it off to Tony for a good quality conversion that I KNOW will look and function great. Also, where's that thread where that guy had his Saiga totally mangled by someone, and had Tony fix it up perfectly? That thread alone was what made me decide to go that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 or you can do it yourself. its pretty easy. took me about 2 hours. all the info is on this board. I am also a DIY guy, BUT. . .my Siaga .223 needed a gas block replacement and FSB work. I can't do those things, and neithe r can many of our buddies here. The Siaga gas block and installation of a FSB is also the same kind of stuff--serious tools needed, that I, for one, do not have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 or you can do it yourself. its pretty easy. took me about 2 hours. all the info is on this board. I am also a DIY guy, BUT. . .my Siaga .223 needed a gas block replacement and FSB work. I can't do those things, and neithe r can many of our buddies here. The Siaga gas block and installation of a FSB is also the same kind of stuff--serious tools needed, that I, for one, do not have. I have a full machine shop with everything you can imagine. PM Me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hey all, I had an amazingly fun time trying to ship the gun since all the UPS centers and all but one of the post offices around here is deathly afraid of guns. They all had a fit and refused to ship it immediately. There is a thread in Legal and Political on THR. I finally found a USPS office that was full of knowledgable guys who also were very pro RKBA. I'll go back to them in the future for gun shipments. Oh yeah, I sent the gun to Tony. Hopefully I should get it back sometime in January and I'll post pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steph 5 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 If anyone cares... I thought I'd share my Saiga-saga. I have been one of those survivalist wackos since I was old enough to shoot, and I've been a LE officer for 21 years. I have always seen the need for a tactical defense shotgun, and always been troubled by the rate of fire and recoil. When I got enough cash to get a USAS 12, it turned into a DD, so I muddled along with 2 870s, one set up as an entry gun (pistol grip, 18" cyl bbl, mag ext.) one as a tac gun (FAL type stock, 20 bbl w polychoke, mag ext) I always felt they were a major compromise, and no fun to shoot. I discovered Saigas rather late -an officer I supervise has an FFL. I told him 'get me one'. (this was Sep 05) As is the usual case, when I get hot for something, its always at the worst time. He hunted around, and got an Elite conversion for me. I'm embarassed to say what I paid for it, and it wasn't exactly what I wanted, but I got one. The conversion was rough, but acceptable. Good news: I sent it off to Tony at Tromix, and he tweaked it the way I wanted. I just got it back today. His work is perfect, and his advice, expertise, and professionalism is superlative. (If you want to see it, he posted pics in the polychoke thread). His prices are more than fair, less than the going rate. So now I have a $300.00 shotgun that in the end cost me about $1500.00. But, it is the most lethal thing I can hold in my hands, and anybody within 75 yards threatening imminent great bodily harm is compost. I can barely wait for the high cap mags to come on the market. I'm sure in 6 months I'll forget what it cost me, and I feel it is virtually the ultimate assault shotgun. I'm going to qualify with it for use on duty (my dept won't buy us shotguns) and the 870s get greased and put into storage. Mucho thanks to Tony,and everybody on the forum that shared their knowledge and opinions! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wjm 0 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I can only imagine what you paid Elite for your Saiga. Diamond Dave has one of his conversions on Gunbrokers for "Buy Now" $950 + $25 shipping. That's more than I paid Tony for one of his SBS with Ace folding stock, muzzle brake, and a complete professional job. Tony has converted several Saigas for me, and every one looks like it came direct from the factory in pistol grip configuration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steph 5 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Yeah... that wouldn't be far off. If I had it all to do over, I would have gone to Tromix right off. Ah, well, its only money, and I'll be dead in 50 years and won't care. I'm lucky that they pay cops in WI so much! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ctown 0 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) TROMIX!! Received my S-12 conversion back from Tony today and I was completely fukin amazed!! Wjm is correct; the conversion absolutely looks like it came from the factory. Absolute attention to detail is what Tony is all about!! I can always find a “minor missed detail” or an “it’s close enough” type fit on modified guns like this. Not on the TROMIX conversion though!! I can’t say enough about how satisfied I am with Tony’s work and his attention to detail. It’s like a freaking masterpiece! The pictures of his craftsmanship and work do not even come close to doing him justice! If you ever get a chance to get your hands on a Tromix model firearm, don’t pass it up. As if the superior conversion wasn’t enough (for some people it’s not), Tony’s customer service is A+. He is very receptive and makes sure the gun he builds, is the gun you want. Tony told me that it would take about two weeks for my conversion (I’m sure this varies day to day). I sent my S-12 to Tony on 12/05 and got it back on 12/22. This is 18 days, minus 4 days for shipping both ways, equals 14 days!! Like I said, AMAZING!!! TROMIX = Professionalism, Expertise, and Satisfaction. Thanks again Tony. Edited December 23, 2005 by AkAgent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PogueMahone 0 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 man, i wish cobra was formally in the biz! i want to do one of my s12's up as east german (stock, forearm, pistol grip) and he's the only one i've seen who made it work with standard ak furniture! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I hear ya bro! I wish Cobra was licensed to do this also. I'm going to look into just what it takes to get that way. If the Saigas ever actually do get imported again there will be an explosion of work for people doing conversions. I would definately like to capitalize on that if it happens. Just what does it take to get to get an FFL anyway? Is that all I need or is there more? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Normally, the ATF won't approve your license application unless you have a commercial store front or shop/building and are zoned as such. No more household FFL's, for the most part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Tony will be getting my S12 for SBS once I get my SBR Yugo M92 paperwork back and get it finished, and then get some cash together. There are very few people I trust to work on the S12, and for SBSing it, Tony is the man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jy951 0 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I also just got my conversion back from Tromix. It is awesome. I feal like I got a new gun. Excellent communication and customer service. I received the gun a week before promised. I never had any doubt about the status of my gun and felt very safe sending my gun to him. Thanks Tony! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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