Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 So it's okay to have protests over the stars and bars in SC based on a mentally ill person committing a heinous crime. But the removal of this is also under protest Marquette University's decision to paint over mural of convicted cop killer draws protests. More than 60 faculty and staff members at Marquette University are circulating an online petition against their own school for taking down a mural featuring convicted cop killer and the FBI’s first female most wanted terrorist, Joanne Deborah Chesimard, also known as Assata Both are and should be protected under the 1st amendment no matter how distasteful they are to anyone. That's what is current law.. I'd be willing to bet that the flag will be taken down and the picture will be allowed to stay up under this BS PC society that we now find ourselves in 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Well, I would argue that neither is a First Amendment issue. Marquette decided to paint over a mural on their own property. Their property, their right. And if the legislature made up of elected representatives decides to take down the flag that's within their right also. Obviously a ban on the display of either the mural or the stars and bars would definitely be a First Amendment issue. Edited June 22, 2015 by Darth Saigus 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Just a bit of recent history here for anyone who doesn't understand the issue of said flag and it's history. It can NOT be lowered to half staff by law. They got what they wanted already having it removed from the Capitol Dome. Now leave it the hell alone. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/06/19/why-south-carolina-confederate-flag-isn-half-staff/A6Y0b9SZqqtHqzH2SFk6CM/story.html 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Seems like the people in Charleston are reacting in a pretty reasonable way. Despite the left and the race baiters hoping for riots. The left always uses a tragedy to push an agenda, and thats what the flap over the flag is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yep and the governor is working a plan to remove it. Sad that people allow themselves to be offended by words and symbols. When they should be offended by actions and non-actions to actually stop these kinds of things. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yes the response from Charleston has been extraordinary. They have shown us that "community" still means something. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I like the guys sign on the far left. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 The anti gun rhetoric from the left is off the charts. and blaming whites for gun violence, its pathetic 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 What's total BS is mainstream media rerunning anti gun programs/programming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I like the guys sign on the far left. Wow those look like some go getters. And obummer is coming on Friday to do the ulegy. Oh goody, let's turn the funeral into a anti-gun media circus. So still the real issue of mental illness will be swept under the rug, idiocracy is coming to fruition. Time to go put Gatorade on the garden........... The anti gun rhetoric from the left is off the charts. and blaming whites for gun violence, its pathetic Mean while 15 blacks have been killed by their own in chi town and nobody cares 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) I'd like to take a day off and stand across the way with a sign that says "GET A FUCKING JOB LOSERS!" Edited June 22, 2015 by evlblkwpnz 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) The protesters have been trying to get this removed for years doesnt matter that its current location is a Civil War Memorial....what's the line about not letting a crisis go to waste. Unfortunately the Gov.has taken it hook line and sinker....I used to think she had some sense. I'm not surprised at the reaction in Charleston. There are God fearing level headed people here in SC. I don't give a fuck what the rest of the country thinks about us....the more backwards and redneck we appear the less likely they are to bring their liberal shit here. Suits me just fine. Edited June 23, 2015 by sccritterkiller 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Its times like this that I am glad to no longer be emotionally or otherwise attached to any piece of dyed cloth. The purpose of the battle flag has long passed, to be seen on a smoke filled field to let troops know where they were supposed to be, long over. Attaching symbolism to it was always a bit much... on either side. Having said that part of me wants it left as is just because of who wants it torn down. Life is funny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Some of us still care about our country, and our flag. to a greater degree what it symbolizes. Some of us are so silly we DO have morals and values. The confederate flag flew over people of honor as they fought for their own families states and culture. It deserves respect as does the American flag the south may have lost a war, they didnt lose their dignity . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Some of us still care about our country, and our flag. to a greater degree what it symbolizes. Some of us are so silly we DO have morals and values. The confederate flag flew over people of honor as they fought for their own families states and culture. It deserves respect as does the American flag the south may have lost a war, they didnt lose their dignity . I agree, but nowadays very few folks actually display the flag actually have any reverence for the Civil War or Confederate ancestry. Here in KY, which was not part of the Confederacy, you see it everywhere... especially Walmart around the 1st. While post of these folks' family trees should be easy to keep track of as they are probably very straight lines, I seriously doubt any of them know their lineage past their grand pappies. I don't think the flag nearly has the racial connotations here as some people feel it does further south or elsewhere. There's just some kind of 'southern pride' attached to it that no one can really explain other than it meaning drinking beer while driving big trucks and listening to Skynard. I think if there is a market for this below then I doubt there is much reverence for it as a historic emblem: I think it has a legitimate place upon a Confederate or Civil War Memorial and cemeteries. I'm not sure I think it has a legitimate place on government properties alongside other state and national insignia... kind of screams neo-Confederate 'south shall rise again' hopeless secessionist rhetoric to me... but that's for the states to sort out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 They shouldnt have taken shit down. People are too fucking hyper-sensitive now days, and the more they get, the more shit they'll try and get removed to suit their needs. Eventually they'll be so far up their own asses, they wont know what country they actually live in. These are the same type that actually believe government spewed lies. Theres no end to what level of stupidity they will believe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Some of us still care about our country, and our flag. to a greater degree what it symbolizes. Some of us are so silly we DO have morals and values. The confederate flag flew over people of honor as they fought for their own families states and culture. It deserves respect as does the American flag the south may have lost a war, they didnt lose their dignity . So what you are saying, unless I am mistaken, is that unless one participates in an act of what is arguably idolatry one does not care about the country, morals, or have values. If correct I would like to point out refusing to do a thing out of principle seems to conflict with that view. The country could use a whole lot more of that from what I see. My family line contains 4 direct ancestors that fought in that war all on the side of the South, Confederate veterans of Vicksburg, Port Hudson, Little Round Top, and others too numerous to list and more difficult to confirm due to lack of official records. So I do not require any lessons on what that flag flew over or any potential meaning. Of those men and their very likely Cherokee and Creek brides, I am very proud, of that government I could not care less. Edited June 24, 2015 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Morals and values are constructs from those who believe in a power greater than themselves In other words spiritual beings. As an atheist you make yourself no more than an an intelligent animal evolved from primordial goop, a hominid barely removed from apes. there is no good or evil in the animal world, just behavior, kill eat sex repeat . No beauty, no ugly just existence, no seeing faces in the clouds, no heart swell to the sound of a child's laughter. Just animal behavior passed down via evolution. But that means no limits on what you do, no gain from being "good" no retribution for being "bad" Good and bad beauty and ugly good and evil, are spiritual concepts, so they cant exist. And I do have reverence for our flag, and the Confederate flag, and those who served . The symbols DO mean something to me and many others, many of us swore an oath to defend this country, this Flag this Constitution. I was never released from that oath, most others who took it feel the same way. You can be "enlightened" and refute all things symbolic or spiritual You can consider respect for the flag as idolatry You can even express you dislike for Christians Jews , authority, LEOs Government in general. Pretty sure your ancestors may have had a differing point of view from yours as they fought for what they believed in. As did mine I strongly disagree with your position and beliefs but I served to protect your right to have them, and to speak them. I think there is more to you than you think there is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Moi an atheist? Seriously exactly what would point in that direction??? I do not participate in what I see as idolatry as a duty to the Creator to follow his laws and views as best as I may not those of men who make these idols and false gods. Things of the spirit are not contained within the material creations of men no matter how much may be believed. It is an old trap easily seen through if granted the discernment to do so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) We live in a time when our government and media lean sooo far to the left nothing surprises me. Did you ever think you'd see the day when the POTUS on multiple occasions sends dignitaries to funerals and rallies for criminal thugs, yet turns a blind eye when thugs kill LEO's and doesn't even attempt to acknowledge what had occurred. Just two days ago Hillary Clinton made it a point to make a campaign stop in Ferguson Missouri to meet with the Brown family making the statement “We have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in America.” Gimmie a break. While I know absolutely nothing about how southerners feel about the Confederate flag, I know with no doubts that black on black crime far out weighs any issues with law enforcement, and if Michael Brown at any point would have changed his mind in his decision making process he would still be alive today. I've never been a racist, but as a person of light skin that is of Italian and American Indian decent I feel that racism is now a problem that I will face. That for no other reason than the color of MY skin that my family for generations will suffer political and financial implications. Whatever became of men standing on the quality of their character???? Edited June 25, 2015 by 6500rpm 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Religion, Gods, Symbolism……has brought more death and suffering and hate to the human race than anything good. History has shown this time and time again. Religion causes division which leads to war. War leads to death. All in the name a an alleged entity that can not, has not, will not ever be proven to actually even exist outside of the human mind.. Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence. It will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines. it isn’t so much what a person believes, but what follows as their behavior that is harmful. Edited June 25, 2015 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I am a Yankee from New York and this is my take on the matter. The Stars and Bars may represent a specific horrible chapter in American history, but nonetheless, it is a symbol. People read into things what they want and no intentions regardless of how good or well meaning will change their minds. For our close minded anti flag citizens, I would like to remind them, a lot of Native Americans last vision on earth was of the Stars and Stripes. What of the SWASTIKA? For centuries it represented good luck and is a religious mark to many cultures and people, until one asshole changed it's meaning for greed and personal gain. Now look where it resides in history. I can show you in Topeka Kansas, today, where the swastika is displayed in public on a building I worked in for almost 20 years and no one, I repeat no one knows it is there. It is a symbol, it is what you want to believe in. The Confederate flag is what you want to believe in. Anything can be made to represent that thinking. When someone's kid chokes on a Lego, is that going to be banned too? Didn't see any big protests over the Japanese flag after WWII. Quite a bit of holocausting on their part if I recall (Rape of Nanking). What about this? Do you see a hand gesturing "the bird", or, am I number one? It is a symbol, think what you want, you have to live with your thoughts. I say leave it alone before a trend develops. Don't get me started on the Mexican flag... Edited June 25, 2015 by sobrenegade 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The trend has started if your payin attention. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 When we finish deleting the Confederacy from the civil war what’s next? Some Americans of English descent may take exception to the revolutionary war and / or the war of 1812 do we go back to flying the Union Jack? What about the Mexican Americans you figure they’re tired of Remembering the Alamo yet? Think people of French lineage all are in favor of the Louisiana Purchase still? Are we prepared for Putin to save the Russian speakers who are being abused in Alaska? If we’re really going to set history right why don’t we go all the way back and see if the Native Americans would like to better enforce their immigration policies back to about the 10th century? For the record I never really wanted a Confederate battle flag until now. I'm not anti black but I'm very anti stupid. this is just a knee jerk reaction by politicians wanting to get re-elected without making any real changes to fix the problems America faces. Over the history of man, oppressive governments have rewritten history to keep the masses in line, I just never thought I’d live to see it here. Guess I better play it again before it gets banned: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+bellamy+brothers+you+ain%27t+just+whistlin%27+dixie&filters=ufn%3a%22the+bellamy+brothers+you+aint+just+whistlin+dixie%22+sid%3a%224a7db357-ae15-f514-1b1b-5af58b0328d5%22+catguid%3a%220d49476f-d898-32a3-34ec-f824044a4d5a_498707c2%22+segment%3a%22generic.carousel%22+secq%3a%22bellamy+brothers%22+psid%3a%220d49476f-d898-32a3-34ec-f824044a4d5a%22+supwlcar%3a%220%22&FORM=VRMRAL&crslsl=1164#view=detail&mid=11077FA5C870726DCACC11077FA5C870726DCACC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) "Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future." This latest trend is no different than Isis destroying historical monuments because they don't agree with their ideology. It just depends on who is writing the story on which is for good and which is for bad. Edited June 25, 2015 by sccritterkiller 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 The trend has started if your payin attention. Sarcasm on my part, sorry. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 History is written by the victors. And when the "victors" become those who whine the loudest, we are f***ed. America has degenerated into adolescence. When is the majority going to get sick of the crap being thrown at them? Elephant gets tired of the biting fly and smashes it dead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 I am a Yankee from New York and this is my take on the matter. The Stars and Bars may represent a specific horrible chapter in American history, but nonetheless, it is a symbol. People read into things what they want and no intentions regardless of how good or well meaning will change their minds. For our close minded anti flag citizens, I would like to remind them, a lot of Native Americans last vision on earth was of the Stars and Stripes. What of the SWASTIKA? For centuries it represented good luck and is a religious mark to many cultures and people, until one asshole changed it's meaning for greed and personal gain. Now look where it resides in history. I can show you in Topeka Kansas, today, where the swastika is displayed in public on a building I worked in for almost 20 years and no one, I repeat no one knows it is there. It is a symbol, it is what you want to believe in. The Confederate flag is what you want to believe in. Anything can be made to represent that thinking. When someone's kid chokes on a Lego, is that going to be banned too? Didn't see any big protests over the Japanese flag after WWII. Quite a bit of holocausting on their part if I recall (Rape of Nanking). What about this? Do you see a hand gesturing "the bird", or, am I number one? It is a symbol, think what you want, you have to live with your thoughts. I say leave it alone before a trend develops. Don't get me started on the Mexican flag...I just thought I'd stir the ashes since it is the FOURTH. I decided to show how our local phone company is affiliated. This has been there since the building was built. I worked in this building for 19 years, 11 months. When I would mention this to various co-workers, I usually got that "sidewalk doesn't go all the way to the street" look. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 I just thought I'd stir the ashes since it is the FOURTH. I decided to show how our local phone company is affiliated. This has been there since the building was built. I worked in this building for 19 years, 11 months. When I would mention this to various co-workers, I usually got that "sidewalk doesn't go all the way to the street" look. Affiliated with who, the Buddists? You know, the "swastika" the Nazis bastardized (like a lot of runic symbols (the Waffen SS "Schutzstaffel" runes symbol as an example) were stolen from other older cultures. You give the Nazis too much credit, they made fashonable uniforms, but for then picking logos to hang on them, they weren't all that creative. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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