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you can get the stock tub only for around $62. but i bet if you combine it with the GL-shock it would reduce it down even more problem is i havent found the GL-shock of less that $96 by itself http://www.nokick.com/AK_47_Collapsible_Stock_Tube_w_Shock_Absorber_p/mako%20sbt-k47.htm http://www.nokick.com/AK_47_Collapsible_Stock_Tube_w_Shock_Absorber_p/mako%20sbt-k47.htm

if you convert the 16" and put a light weight stock on it. you will increase the recoil by quite a bit by makeing the weapon lighter. one thing the 22' does have is that long heavier barrel so it weighs a bit more and would reduce the recoil a bit and its bullet velocity will be higher because of the longer barrel. if you do choose to go with the 16" and convert it and put on a light weight stock you might look into adding weight to it to calm the recoil down . if your going hunting with it i would let your terrain decide what you need if you are in open terrain or can move easily in t

I have a 21 inch saiga 308 and I shoot the South African bulk ammo and I see about a seven to eight inch group. every shot hits the paper. but the saiga 308 is more about kicking up dirt than accuracy and precision you need to change your ammo i got a stock 22" 308 saiga only thing on it is a 3x9 40mm scope and im getting 1"@100yrds with a factory load fed power shok 150gr SP

i usually order from here http://www.sportsmansguide.com/ you got to watch some places are cheaper but they get you in the shipping costs this place is not bad on shipping specially when your getting ammo

if they every do decide to take our weapons i dont think they will go through the mountain of paper work to find us i think they will just go door to door like katrina and search every1. there is so many weapons that are lost and dont have a paper trail that they would be chaseing alot of dead ends, of ppl who have been dead for years or ppl who sold it to someone they dont know the name of. it would be much easier stop the sales and to take the troops and just go city by city and go through and get all they can.

i think the number1 way to increase your accuracy is to try several differnet weights and brands of ammo and see which one shoots best for your weapon, they all DONT shoot the same. the only good ammo is the ammo YOUR weapon likes best it could be cheap russain made ammo or some custom ordered handloaded $50 per box ammo. just because it cost more doesnt always mean its better.good ammo is what your weapon consitantly shoots best not what some1 elses weapon shoots best. also you really need to break your weapon in before it really starts shooting its best. once you've shot over 300rnds it sho

WHY? you ask? its a mixture of a few things like they said the war, a weak dollar, also the U.N. has pressured countries to stop selling mil surplus on the civilian market but dont forget the good old corp. greed

LoL wish i had a $1.00 for every BATF agent who looks at this post. or who all has asked this question from all the other forums I have nothing not 1 gun or ammo not even a BB gun. i dont store food, i go to the store every day for what i need just like a good little sheep

i am looking for a good cheap scope for a .22 and was thinking of getting this https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP548-1112-1536.html any1 ever had 1 ?

what dose every1 think of hotshot ammo?

i wouldnt have anything of great value next to my bed im lazy and wouldnt put away the weapon every day i just keep a pump shotgun next to the bed that way if they break in while im at work they dont get nothing but a cheap pump. nothing makes a goblin run faster than a cocking of a 12ga pump and they dont know where it came from.

if your getting 2" moa you need to change your ammo.not your buttstock. if you get the right ammo with a off the self stock saiga 308 you can get inside 1"@100yrd. getting a 11" moa @500yrds how is any1 going to hit a mansize target? lol omg. maybe with alot of luck! might help if he closed his eyes to.(use the force luke) you might hit it once every 20 rnds.(accually if your body position is right you could close your eyes but you need to know how to shoot) if the new trigger help alot and your now getting 2" moa. lol i dont want to know what you was getting. lol invest $300 in differnt amm

what i do is have it hit the target -1 inch from center at 25yrds that will put it at +2 inches @100 so it should be at -1 inch at 250 yrds that is ideal for hunting you are inside of 3 inch heart killing shot from 25 yrds to 250 yrds

wait until you have shot about 300 rnd and broken in that saiga things tend to change slightly until its fully broken in. some ammo that wasnt that good gets alot better ...ect i would try several differnt brands but that is a great start you got 1 brand you know will shoot good hopefully you can find a cheaper one that you can hunt with congratz way to go

Classic Arms has 1000 round case of wolf for $179.95 or 360 rounds of golden tiger in .30cal ammo can for $69.90. They also have 7.62x54R in a 300 round tin for $55, 400 in 50cal. ammo can for $77.50, or 1200 round case for $199.95. They also have 30rnd AK mags for $12.95. http://www.classicarms.us/ is shipping included in those prices? the prices i quoted is total cost. No. But with the cost of the gas burned going would have easily covered any shipping charges. true gas would have to be put into the TOTAL cost of the days buy , not just the ammo, but that also depends on h

Classic Arms has 1000 round case of wolf for $179.95 or 360 rounds of golden tiger in .30cal ammo can for $69.90. They also have 7.62x54R in a 300 round tin for $55, 400 in 50cal. ammo can for $77.50, or 1200 round case for $199.95. They also have 30rnd AK mags for $12.95. http://www.classicarms.us/ is shipping included in those prices? the prices i quoted is total cost.the price of the 7.62 is what he was selling it for they gave us a 20% discount and no tax(so a total of 30%) because of the large amount so i couldnt really tell you what we paid for evey box but it was alot cheaper

we got good deals on ammo cause we all bought as one grp which made it seem like a large order so they cut the price and didnt charge sales tax they even brought it out to the truck for us (lol), same with mags.(we took them to the truck). we did get some steel ak mags. for $15 got saiga308 surfire 25rnd mag for $45 each and with EVERYthing we bought we got them to waive sales tax.and i didnt buy anything that i could get on line chaeper (including the S&H in the price).so i would pay a fair price or get a good deal on our bulk item buys. WoW i didnt see any saigas for that cheap gold

WoW!! now this is a gun show (lol) and boy was there some good deals . there was planty of ammo to buy at prices i couldnt beat on the web and if you buy in bulk they cut you an even better deal(and i took a notebook with prices to compare). but what i have noticed since i was at 1 last time was the lack of assult rifles (major lack of) what suprised me the most was, the last time i was there i was LUCKY to find A saiga 308 (i got the last 1), this time i seen more saigas (.223 /7.62 ) than i seen AK ! that suprised me! and almost all the saigas was way over priced $400 + for a 7.62x39 was adv

tomorrow is the big day for the worlds biggest gun show see you guys there http://www.tulsaarmsshow.com/frames.html kids in a candy store woohoo

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this is my post after going to one last month. for the money youll spend shooting the 308 you could just about buy a 10/22 lol you dont really need a spotting scope everything is done at 25 yrds scopes are ok to use they are teaching you the skill / art of shooting which you must have with or without a scope glad to hear you guys liked it

+1,i usually sight mine in at 25yrds about 1-2 inch below center and it should be about 1-2 inch above center at 100yrds. that makes a good hunting zero that way from 25-150 yrds you should be within 3inch with out any adjustments .works for me

its basic trainning time,make them do ALOT of hard work, make them REALLY regret haveing to be there, make life BAD so they dont want to come back, and if they do good and do as they are told they get a reward. take them out to play paintball for a day as their graduation that way they learn if they do right they get rewarded as well as get punished for doing wrong.if they dont do as they are told they have to stay there for another 4 weeks (they will not want that)

(off subject) DONT DO IT!!! it is the only thing in life that is cheaper to rent than to buy, is a woman !

i figure if you have served in the marines or the army infantry both of those would have gotten adv. range trainning which this would be a refreshers course