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In fairness AGP, Promag, and Surefire magazines were not made to be mil-spec magazines like the Russian mags are, so inevitably they will not be as durable as the Russian factory Saiga 12 magazines. From what I've gathered from various user reports on this forum, the general consensus seems to be that among U.S. made magazines, the ones that hold 8 or fewer rounds (like the 8 round AGP and Surefire mags) do not suffer from the problem of the front tab breaking off (even when firing high base magnum 3" shells). The generally accepted theory is that this is because the lower weight of ammo resul

Welcome to the forum. You'll love the Saiga 12. Being a kalashnikov-based longarm it's simple to use and easy to maintain, very reliable (just as long as you use ammo with enough oomph to cycle the action of course), and there are a ton of accessories and modding options available for it. You definitely won't regret purchasing it.

As Saigafreake mentioned you've got nothing to worry about. 922r only applies to self-loading (semi-automatic) rifles and shotguns, it does not apply to manually operated longarms (bolt action, break-open action, lever action, pump action, etc.), so your Hawk 981 is legal no matter what parts you install on it.

Get a russian military AK pattern recoil pad (like the ones the russian army puts on AKs that have grenade launchers installed). After I finished converting my Saiga 12 using a K-Var polymer AKM pattern buttstock, I too had the same problem with my shoulder getting sore during firing. After I put one of those recoil pads onto the stock though, it made it comfortable to fire anything, even the 3" magnum shells. Funny, I was just thinking about that on another thread. They are cheap enough, maybe I'll give them a try. Mr. N. was just elaborating on those. I have heard about vastly differing

Get a russian military AK pattern recoil pad (like the ones the russian army puts on AKs that have grenade launchers installed). After I finished converting my Saiga 12 using a K-Var polymer AKM pattern buttstock, I too had the same problem with my shoulder getting sore during firing. After I put one of those recoil pads onto the stock though, it made it comfortable to fire anything, even the 3" magnum shells.

Looks like fun, and you sure were able to fire off those rounds quickly and smoothly. Did you get the SRT (Short Reset Trigger) option with this S17?

Have you tried e-mailing or calling JP and asking them about it? If this is a very new product they may just not have had time to put it up on their website yet.

If it is a Saiga 12 with a 22" barrel it may be one of those "Rosjagd" marked Saiga 12s that came in last year after being diverted from Germany. From what I've heard these have the same number of gas ports as the 19" barreled Saiga 12s, so if its barrel is cut down to 19" it should still be able to cycle as well as any factory stock 19" barreled Saiga 12. Though leaving its barel a 22" may enable it to cycle really low powered shells (i.e. low base sub 1-1/8 oz. shot weight shells) that 19" barreled Saiga 12s usually can't cycle. So if for whatever reason you want to see if it can cycle reall

Mike said in some other post a few years ago (back when he first announced the MD-20) that for the Saiga 12 a drum could be designed to fire either 2-3/4" shells or 3" shells but not both, and since for most 12 gauge shooters the 2-3/4" shells are more popular than the 3" shells, that was why he designed the MD-20 to take 2-3/4" shells rather than 3". I think Mike has said that he will be making a 3" shell compatible drum at some point, but of course right now he is obviously concentrating on getting these double-stack mags to market first.

In fairness to the AA-12, its low cyclic rate was a deliberate design choice made by Atchison (the designer) to make sure the AA-12 was easily controllable during full auto fire. To further help with controllability during full auto fire the AA-12 also has a very long run for its bolt carrier which makes sure the bolt carrier never hits the back of the receiver during cycling (which would otherwise impart an additional recoil force to the shooter). Also unlike the Saiga 12 the AA-12 fires from an open bolt (as can be seen in the video), so that the bolt is moving forward and hits the front of

I haven't had this problem myself so I don't have any firsthand experience with trying to fix it, but I have heard that carefully rounding the edge at the end of the shell guide with a dremel can sometimes solve this problem (the edge of the shell guide is the part that the top front edge of your shells are hitting and hanging up on, the part in the circle in your picture). The key is to make sure you simply round off this edge (which from the factory usually has a sharp 90 degree corner), and not to take off so much material that the length of the shell guide is reduced, because the shell gui

Are you talking about any limitations on shell length? Mike said back in post #21 that these mags will work with both 2-3/4" and 3" shells.

If you file just a little (a few thousandths to a hundredth of an inch or so) material from the bottom of the rear locking tab on that magazine, the 'B' fitting, then it would probably lock in easier. In the MD Arms section of this forum there is a sticky with instructions for how to fit the MD-20 drum, which also applies to Russian factory mags, and should also work for other box mags (like Surefire). Just make sure you check to see if you need to do any 'A' fitting first, before you start doing the filing for the 'B' fitting.

If you happen to have access to a press then it becomes much easier to get the rear sight out. When I first tried to remove my rear sight like most I tried to hammer it out, but I got nowhere. Luckily for me a friend of mine had an arbor press. Once I got my Saiga 12 lined up and clamped down in the press at the right orientation, it was a snap to just press out the factory rear notch sight, and then press in the new rear sight (I installed a Krebs). If you don't have access to a press, then using a dremel to cut lengthwise across the rear sight is probably the next best way.

Promag has always had terrible quality control, and their business model seems to be having just enough of their mags (just over half maybe) work out of the box that enough people are willing to keep buying from them so they don't go out of business (I first heard about how bad Promag magazines were back in the 80's for hellsakes, and yet they are still in business). I hate to say it but a lot of other companies are able to stay in business the same way, and unfortunately it will continue as long as there are people out there who are willing to pay for crap products just because they are the c

I doubt even Tantal or Oleg could get a hold of Vepr-12/KS-K parts like that, and more to the point I don't think such Vepr-12/KS-K parts are compatible with the Saiga 12s (slightly different barrel diameters from what I've heard) that are imported to the U.S., so even if you could get a hold of them you probably wouldn't be able to use them.

Simply stated Russian 8 rounders are utterly reliable and built like bricks (as are the Russian 5 rounders). Both the 5 and 8 round Russian magazines are mil-spec, and not only are they made out of a mil-spec polymer (which to me also seems to be noticeably denser and stronger than the polymer that AGP, Surefire, and Promag use in their mags), but they also have a steel front locking tab and currently are the only box mags available that do. If you go through all the posts on this forum of people who have reported the front locking tab on their magazine breaking off, you will find out that it

I have bought various items (including Izhmash 8 rounders) from Oleg over the years and never had any problems with customs seizing or sending back any of the orders once Oleg had shipped them to me, though the last time I purchased from Oleg he contacted me a few days after he had shipped my order saying U.S. customs had set aside my shipment (and some other shipments he had sent to other U.S. customers) for a customs inspection, but that this was not uncommon and that U.S. customs should release the shipment for delivery to me after about a week or so, which is exactly what happened. Of cour

Thanks. I take it that his "PSO" is the same as what is called POSP elsewhere? (They look the same to me, but just making sure). I believe the PSO and POSP are separate lines of scopes, though overall still very similar. From what I have seen PSO scopes seem to be available in fixed magnification only, while POSP scopes are available with either fixed or variable magnification. Also, the PSO scopes seem to come in magnification ranges of 2.5X to 6X, while POSP scopes seem to come in somewhat higher magnification ranges, usually at least 4X, and up to 8X on fixed magnifcation versi

One thing I have heard is that some people find the grip on the Glock 21 to be pretty big around (at least when compared to the 9mm and .40 models like the Glock 17 & 22), so you might want to consider the SF version (Glock 21SF) instead, which has a grip with a smaller circumference.

Cameron is working on all steel 8 round magazines, and Mike's forthcoming mags will have a steel reinforced front locking tab just like his drum and the Russian Factory mags do. Cameron and Mike haven't given a projected availability date yet, but its a good bet both magazines will be available by some time in 2010. Well Rusmilitary in the U.K. just got Russian 8 rounders back in stock, so if you really want you can order some Russian 8 rounders from them, but if you have patience it would definitely be cheaper to just wait for Cameron and Mike's mags to come out.

Yeah wood furniture does have a certain classic appeal. By the way, Red Jacket does Saiga 12 conversions with wood furniture.

I've never seen one myself, but from what I've heard from people who have seen these German marked 22" barreled Saiga 12s firsthand, they have the same gas port setup as the 19" barreled Saiga 12s (i.e. 3 gas ports not 2 gas ports like the 24" barreled models have), so cutting the barrel down to 19" shouldn't affect its cycling ability. You'll love the Saiga 12, there is no other shotgun in the U.S. like it. Also, in case you wanted to check it out, there was a thread back in the summer about these German marked Saiga 12s.

That's another of Cameron's projects. Its a neat design that will offer a unique capability, a mag that is as short (or even a bit shorter) as a 5 round box magazine, but with double the ammo capacity. Cameron hasn't said yet when he expects he'll have it ready, and I believe his current priority is bringing his steel 8 round box magazine to market, but this 10 round compact drum will probably be his next priority after that. So far Cameron hasn't said whether he plans to ever make a larger capacity version (Cameron is the owner of Chaos, in case you were wondering).

Everytime I try to imagine what the discussian at AA must have been like when they decided to make a Saiga 12 drum, I always come back to it thinking it must have been like a scene out of 'As Good as It Gets', and gone something like: AA underling: "So boss how are you going to go about making a Saiga 12 drum?" AA boss: "I'll start with a design like the MD-20, and then I'll take away simplicity, durability, reliability, and ease of use, and I'll also add $100 to the price and make it twice as heavy, then it will be perfect." AA underling: "Uh, I'm not sure Saiga 12 owners will lik