Hudson Hornet 40 Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Now Yeti coolers has joined the liberal anti-gun bandwagon! Let Cabela's , Bass Pro, Sportsman's Warehouse and others know what you think of Yeti! Don't try Dick's ,as they are pricks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spikester 93 Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Don't go shooting your coolers before you get the real story. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Investigated the story, and FUCK yeti. BH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HackNtheBox 66 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Don't go shooting your coolers before you get the real story. whats the real story? ...............anti gun is anti american thats good enough for me....screw em hope the go bankrupt 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 The only stuff I saw was that they dropped the NRA from their fund list. I didn't see any PR campaign bragging about it, or any anti gun statements. Just dropping NRA from their automatic donations. Then a press release after people freaked out saying as much, and that they are still pro firearm. Did you see anything beyond that? IMO I'm tired of the NRA being seen as THE proxy for American gun rights. NRA sells us out a hell of a lot more than an over priced cup maker. I decided a few years ago not to back the NRA too. I'll gladly back institutions that actually do lobby for freedom, such as 2Af and GOA. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HackNtheBox 66 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 Im tired of the NRA as well but I dont want companies selling cups influencing our rights 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 The NRA IS the most effective institution we have protecting our rights!! BH 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 The only stuff I saw was that they dropped the NRA from their fund list. I didn't see any PR campaign bragging about it, or any anti gun statements. Just dropping NRA from their automatic donations. Then a press release after people freaked out saying as much, and that they are still pro firearm. Did you see anything beyond that? IMO I'm tired of the NRA being seen as THE proxy for American gun rights. NRA sells us out a hell of a lot more than an over priced cup maker. I decided a few years ago not to back the NRA too. I'll gladly back institutions that actually do lobby for freedom, such as 2Af and GOA. They have become a cash machine. All they do is send requests for money and monthly letters stating that it is time to renew. I find it funny that the requests to renew come after I had just renewed ,it is every month. Follow the money. Talk radio has become like that also, they push for you to subscribe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 People who bash the NRA are generally ignorant of all the programs, training and mechanisms they employ to foster shooting sports and defend our rights. I dont see where they have ever "sold us out" BH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted May 2, 2018 Report Share Posted May 2, 2018 1) just a few weeks ago, they explicitly suggested that BATFE should ignore the language of the statute in their official press releases, and regulate bump stocks as machine guns. Even if you think bump stocks are dumb, that is the worst kind of precedent, and NRA scoring a home goal. 2) You must not live in Washington state. We got a "universal background check" law about 3 years ago that makes sharing guns during recreational shooting a felony even among family members. NRA fundraiser on it heavily here, but didn't do so much as run an ad campaign on the west side of the state. NRA then took credit for legal action by 2nd Amendment foundation, even though they had jack all to do with it. Same deal with the current proposed legislation. I've seen at least some signs that they are giving out this time, but it is phoning it in on one of those plastic phones that toddlers used to drag around. I still get fundraising emails from them 4x a week or more though. NRA has routinely been squishy to on the wrong side of restrictions to purchase, and also import restrictions on imports for various firearms , ammo , and accessories. Appleseed and the like are nifty, but they are side issues. No use having training programs for guns we aren't allowed to own or use for their primary purpose. I value some of the publications and programs they have done, but as far as I can tell, they are AARP for gun people. They claim to represent us, but really are about keeping their own salaries forever. Everything is a sponsored tie in, and their magazines are mostly ads. What they produce vs what they take in shows who they are. GOA and similar do a hell of a lot more with a lot less money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HackNtheBox 66 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) People who bash the NRA are generally ignorant of all the programs, training and mechanisms they employ to foster shooting sports and defend our rights. I dont see where they have ever "sold us out" BH ignorant? ya COULD BE YOU........... they sold out Oregon, they HOUNDED us with emails and letters and phone calls looking for donations for the fight against the Oregon gun control yet several weeks before the Oregon bills were past they sent Oregonians a fuckin POST CARD telling us to write our congressman..... this is not your grandads NRA this is a money generating machine, and yes they have some programs because if they didnt they would get any more money! ...JEESH A FUCKIN POST CARD to save ourselves..... AFTER THEY TOOK OUR MONEY !!! THIS IS NOT YOUR GRANDADS NRA.......its ignorant to think otherwise Edited May 3, 2018 by HackNtheBox Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted May 3, 2018 Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 So, WTF? Where they supposed to go and vote for you too? That's basically what GOA and the rest do also. My mailbox is usually chock full of GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, etc. postcards and "please give us more :dollar: donation vouchers. F.Y.I. - one of my douchebag little nieces thought it would be funny to send in a small donation to the DNC years ago in my name for an April Fools joke 30+ years ago. And even though I've been telling them by phone to piss off and leave me alone when they beg call most mornings, I'm still getting shit from them. They actually had the gall to send me a "help Billy out of his legal troubles" donation form (help pay WJC's legal fees) just because he apparently couldn't keep his pecker in his pants about 20+ years ago. Was thinking about wiping my ass with that particular donation form, and sending it back to them. Didn't think the USPS would take that too lightly though with the Anthrax scares and shit going on around that time. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 Well...I will stick with the NRA, just upped to a life member.... Show me any of the other orgs that have things like camp perry or NRA whittington center. or sponsor all the shooting venues NRA does. Or who has had a presence in Washington for as long. PS FUCK BUMPSTOCKS If you want a machine gun....go fucking buy one...oh dont live in a state that allows them....Too fucking bad. Cant afford one ...too fucking bad BH with attitude toward whiners 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HackNtheBox 66 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) no Im not ignorant, I dont expect the NRA to vote for me...... I expect some "NATIONAL SUPPORT ORGANIZATION" from them to help fight the anti gun onslaught ITS WHAT THEY CLAIMED THEY NEEDED MY DONATIONS FOR & I HAVE A SHIT RAG MAGAZINE IN FRONT OF ME WITH LaPiere selling fear in an article looking for donations for the same good fight! WHAT A SCAM the fuckin liberal demorat school teachers do a better job at NATIONAL GUN ORGANIZATION than the NRA Money generating machine! and they are using OUR education tax dollars to rally against US & thats fuckin brilliant! The NRA if they were in the fight for us ..... should be organizing simultaneous rallies ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN SUPPORT OF EVERY STATE UNDER ATTACK BY CROOKED DEMOCRATS USING THE EMERGENCY CLAUSES TO PUSH THRU EVERY BILL WITHOUT A VOTE by the people and that how this is being accomplished, it wont be long before the tryanical tactic gets used in as many states as they can cheat we have pro gun rallys here in the north west with a meager turn out because republicans WORK to pay for the snowflakes getting dole checks that can jump off mommies basement couch to terrorize a city in a so called protest which becomes a riot that gets watched by the to serve and protect group they are working hard at semi auto gun confiscation right now in Oregon and I dont even expect a post card this time from the NRA cunts they are too busy counting the cash donations and deciding the most cost effective schwag to offer the idiots that keep sending cash I guess we fall state by state with the attitudes I see here ......so we will fight our own battles and when we loose again due to ZERO national support like New York, Colorado, Oregon, Washington etc etc ....your state will fall..... IN KIND ......IN TIME fuckin genius's WITH ATTITUDES what a brilliant support plan & with hubris !...your precious NRA & chincy programs, training and mechanisms are about to become a JOKE! they wont work without guns AND THEY ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS so if your response will be as similar as WTF do you want the NRA to vote for you ....your no help at all your apathy is part of the self centered gun nut culture problem that they have been calling us on. CarryOn Edited May 7, 2018 by HackNtheBox Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 OK we get it. You HATE the NRA. Fine. ....now use that hate for something productive. Write your politicians. DO SOMETHING. ....or are you content to just sit it out and hate until they come for you? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted May 7, 2018 Report Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) we have pro gun rallys here in the north west with a meager turn out because republicans WORK to pay for the snowflakes getting dole checks that can jump off mommies basement couch to terrorize a city in a so called protest which becomes a riot that gets watched by the to serve and protect group Well, there you go. I think you answered your own rant right there. Snowflakes can go out and scream about shit (most of them know little to nothing about anyway ) because most don't have jobs they have to show up for. Then they got dumb f**k NFL team owners (Robert Kraft) and Hollyweird assholes funding their whine fests too. I agree, the NRA is probably pretty bloated and pays it's executives too much. I don't think they get much help though (being a non profit) fighting in court rooms every day trying to tamp down stupid gun control bills. Compare that to the millions of tax spent by all the Progressive government groups out there in the witch hunt trying to force Trump out of office (as an example). If anything, you should probably be more pissed off by that. Don't waste my tax dollars trying to impeach someone just because you have sour grapes sand in your vagina now because your suck ass candidate got trounced fairly in the election. If it pisses you off so much, do like I (sometimes) do. Donate once, and throw away any other shit they send you in that same calender month. Then don't be a hypocrite too by eating at Ellen's in the west end (if you live in Dallas). $3.00 dollars for a f**king cup of coffee or a glass of milk is only paid by snowflakes, dipshits, and rubes. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Restaurants-Receipt-Message-to-the-NRA-481833031.html Edited May 7, 2018 by Gaddis 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 So hack....you hate the "serve and protect group" as well? BH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Part of why "donate once" doesn't work is they spend the cost of my donation on mailers to me. That's a non-starter with me for any charity. (i.e. Operation Christmas Child.) Even if they were doing something worthwhile, my donation is negated. What's the delta for when a donation would be useful. I bet they spend $60 on mailers and marketing at me every year, and that would quadruple if that resulted in money. How much do you have to give them before it outpaces the amount they spend on begging from you? The other part is that donating anything to an entity which will use my donation to propose a "common sense compromise" has been a failing strategy for my entire lifetime. The other part is that they represent a compromise, and to a lot of congress, they = me. But they don't = me, and I don't want them to be able to count me towards their numerical claim that they do speak for me. Again, the NRA has spent very little of its budget on court cases, and there are effective organizations who go to court and win. Heller was not NRA. Heller was SAF going to court and winning a cast that the NRA didn't bother to include in their strategy. It's also pretty much the pattern. If you look at most of the worthwhile cases which challenge, and sometimes win, they are filed by organizations that are more about practicing than marketing. The NRA has done about as good a job of protecting firearms rights as the DNC has for making Chicago a more prosperous city. Let's get off the plantation, and quit treating the NRA as synonymous with uncompromising defense of the 2A. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Again, the NRA has spent very little of its budget on court cases, and there are effective organizations who go to court and win. Heller was not NRA. Heller was SAF going to court and winning a cast that the NRA didn't bother to include in their strategy. It's also pretty much the pattern. If you look at most of the worthwhile cases which challenge, and sometimes win, they are filed by organizations that are more about practicing than marketing. mising defense of the 2A. The NRA needs to stay the hell out of court cases, because for the most part they fuck things up like they tried unsuccessfully to do with Heller. They are simply not any good at that aspect of the fight. On the other hand, SAF needs to stay the hell out of lobbying elected officials because THEY are no good at THAT. Or has everybody forgotten already about SAF/Alan Gottleib's attempted sell-out post Sandy Hook? The bottom line is that the NRA tries to do the best they can with what they have to work with. Their strength is not that they can buy legislators, because they simply don't have the budget for it. The best they can do is give some aid to politicians who have demonstrated views consistent with the NRA's agenda, which can approach in effectiveness spending enough on legislators to ensure they stay bought, but it's an imperfect solution, since the funds simply aren't there to compete with our enemies on a dollar for dollar basis. The NRA's best weapon for keeping pols in line has always been the wrath of its members.... At times when the group's leadership has perceived that the membership is energized and involved, they've done a decent job of holding the line and refusing to compromise. At other times when the rank and file has seemed to be apathetic or uninvolved, then that is when the NRA has been more inclined to cut deals. This is one reason why the NRA is no good at court battles; judges don't have to fear getting voted out of office, so NRA's usual skill set is no good there compared to groups like SAF. The NRA is an organization of gun owners, not a hired lobbying group that you send a few bucks to and have them fight your battles for you. We get out of it exactly what we put into it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to blame them for seeking to cut deals, you'd be better off directing your ire at your fellow gun owners who can't be bothered to get involved in the fight. Even just having a basic annual membership is huge... Imagine if all or most gun owners were NRA members instead of just a small percentage. With a membership in the high tens of millions, we could run the tables politically. Edited May 10, 2018 by Netpackrat 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 Sorry this says it all. https://youtu.be/y5NRbSTvRnA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackHeart762 288 Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 Sorry this says it all. https://youtu.be/y5NRbSTvRnA Here we are back at the fucktard bumpstocks. Its the same old shill game of "divide and conquer " Some idiots dont realize you dont tear down one institution protecting our rights to prop up your pet group. I use the term idiots because the master who invented useful idiots coined the phrase. ALL of them together are more effective!!! bitching about any one of them just hurts us all !! TEN years I only read this forum before ever joining or posting. Every day the same old few remind me why BH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 The bumpstocks was the end, the point was goa in the eyes of those wanting to disarm the people is worse then the fudd nra. Ive seen the nra compromise and help create these compromises then actually fight to keep the rights. I dont care if you want a bumpstock or full auto, and the issue with full auto was the crime committed was done by a police officer, not a every day person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 It is okay to sit back and listen it is also okay to express how we feel, this is why we are who we are. Conversations get heated when people have deep feelings about what is right and what is wrong. Deep feelings of well founded truth give everyone protection of God given rights to life ,liberty and not to reasonably retard our goals and dreams of a happy life. I said reasonable because some people are happy killing you. If a person who wants to play soldier and shoot his bumpstock at the range or a safe place to shoot go for it. The fact that I do not approve should not stop that person. If I do not want to give to a Gun organization because I do not like guns, that my right . If you do not approve of my choice then I do not have to do business with you. What I am saying is America is still working. The reality is there are more people with guns today more states with CCW laws right now than ever. I do not see a problem. If the law makers do things we do not approve of we vote them out. One group banned assault rifles, they got voted out and now we have them. There is reason why people buying guns surged after this last shooting in fl. People want to be safe and they are now understanding that the police cannot do it. Police work when it comes to crime is most always after the fact, after the crime has been committed . To protect and to serve is false advertising . A antigun person will hold to their feelings only when they think the police will protect them. Most will change when it does not happen. I do not see anyone going after the Nuts out there but they have rights to. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted May 12, 2018 Report Share Posted May 12, 2018 GOA doesn't do shit other than take your money and attack the NRA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 GOA doesn't do shit other than take your money and attack the NRA. I pay my 20 a year and i use there system to email and write my congress critters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HackNtheBox 66 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 GOA doesn't do shit other than take your money and attack the NRA. sounds like its a decision of who is going to just take your money without good faith.......... its how I have felt for a few years this week ...in Oregon republican Sam Carpenter running for governor had a b+ rating on guns then after we voted him in the primaries he said he would support gun confiscation here in Oregon they are all crooks trying to get their hands in the cookie jar....few more organized mass shootings & guns ARE on the way out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 A tale of NRA pomposity and duplicity. There was a Rod and Gun club in Prince George's Co. MD. The ONLY one. It was the Berwinn Rod and Gun Club,It was a happy place for many years. Nothing lasts forever, the once Conservative Local Government became a NYC Liberal playground. They said that the Club was a MENACE and that ALL lead MUST be cleaned up and the range FOREVER closed. The NRA offered NOTHING! All hope was lost. The NRA went around using this as an example of a failed Club and that this Club would never return, it was a lost cause. Unknown to the NRA, some members of this club had used NRA and other information, and worked closely with Park and Planning. They got themselves a huge loan. ALL the lead was removed. Proper "no blue sky" overhead baffles were installed. The Club met all requirements of the Park and planning Commission and received a coveted "GREEN SPACE" designation. The DAY that the Club reopened the NRA published their article on how THIS Club had failed and as I remember their tone was SMARMY and arrogant as always with the warning DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR CLUB! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 think oliver north will fix stuff or is teh swamp too deep at NRA too? as far as yeti goes, i havent looked into it... i like quality products, my wife bought a cup while back, has a magnet holds top on, pretty neat engineered so its easy to clean, buuuuuuuuuut, screw spending butt tons of money on nursing your coffee all morning, hahaha in terms of NRA, their strategy, if it can be called that, certainly doesnt seem to be furthering our cause... ie, no HPA passed, no counter info, no telling the idiots how stupid they are for blaming a organization for the actions of the demented individual, etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hudson Hornet 40 Posted May 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 So if you hate the NRA. then who has the most clout to protect our gun rights? As a voting NRA member, I can, and do, vote out liberal moles that have weaseled in the board of directors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Except the way they are structured, their BOD don't have a lot of day to day authority, other than to hire the people who make the actual decisions. As to your question, I believe second amenment foundation and GOA have done at least as much good on a fraction of the budget. 2af gives you the Heller decision... NRA gives you compromises. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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