rolo808Hawaii 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Anyone think it'd be possible to make a Saiga-12 Bullpup like the AK-47 Bullpup from Century Arms? i just think it'd be cool looking but as far as performance not sure how that would work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davehal9000 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I've fired the 7.62 version and they're junk. The trigger works via a cable or a rod, I forget which. Real gritty even when clean. There are far better ways to customize your Siaga shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hktome 1 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I've fired the 7.62 version and they're junk. The trigger works via a cable or a rod, I forget which. Real gritty even when clean. There are far better ways to customize your Siaga shotgun. few years back a picture was posted here of a muzzlelite stock modded to fit the S-12 dont remember there be a demo video, maybe a mockup, maybe not -looked cool for sure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer 27 37 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 This is what I found when I searched recently: http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Groza/bullpups.htm http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=23817&hl= http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...285&hl=bull http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=22356 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=29082 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=9637 I think that it would be cool. I thought about doing it but I don't know anyone in plastics. Just machinists, it would cost way to much to do for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullerbjorn 0 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 There is a bullpup kit available for Saiga 12 in the U.S. it is called "Kushnapup". Visit: WWW.KUSHNAPUP.COM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullerbjorn 0 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Saiga 12 bullpup stock kit. Visit: WWW.KUSHNAPUP.COM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I've fired the 7.62 version and they're junk. The trigger works via a cable or a rod, I forget which. Real gritty even when clean. There are far better ways to customize your Saiga shotgun. My kVAR Bullpup kit is has neither a gritty trigger pull, nor is of "junk" construction. You apparently don't know that much about them since you are not sure of how the trigger actually works. I built my with a Norinco Mac 90 but it has a hard (about 7 Lbs) crisp trigger. The one you fired had obviously been built by someone less skilled. The one fellow that I recall on here that actually built one seemed to have some issues with the size of the S12 being a little on the large size for the kVAR kit, but he made it work. It really does not make a difference if folks like them or not, Bullpups are in use with many of the world's armed forces (China, Israel, Britain, Australia, France etc...) and are the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I've fired the 7.62 version and they're junk. The trigger works via a cable or a rod, I forget which. Real gritty even when clean. There are far better ways to customize your Saiga shotgun. My kVAR Bullpup kit is has neither a gritty trigger pull, nor is of "junk" construction. You apparently don't know that much about them since you are not sure of how the trigger actually works. I built my with a Norinco Mac 90 but it has a hard (about 7 Lbs) crisp trigger. The one you fired had obviously been built by someone less skilled. The one fellow that I recall on here that actually built one seemed to have some issues with the size of the S12 being a little on the large size for the kVAR kit, but he made it work. It really does not make a difference if folks like them or not, Bullpups are in use with many of the world's armed forces (China, Israel, Britain, Australia, France etc...) and are the future. It does seem to be the next step in small arms evalution. Definatly does reduce the lenght. This would make it easier to drive with it in your lap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Saiga 12 bullpup stock kit. Visit: WWW.KUSHNAPUP.COM Looks pretty cool. But whats the price? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
satellitedr3ams 0 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 that is pretty sweet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknast76 2 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I bet the bull pup variation would work better with the drum. I just got the MD 20 and you have to reach around it, i.e. forearm in an odd position to hold the weapon for shoulder fire, but from the hip no problem. I'll have to get used to it. Edited March 7, 2009 by jacknast76 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 While I like bullpups generally (have owned an AUG, a bushmaster pistol and a Mossberg pump bullpup), the major issue I have with almost all of them is I'm left handed and the shells would eject into my face. The AUG could be switched and the pump gun wasn't so much an issue, but a Saiga 12 would probably bust my teeth out with the cocking handle coming back. Looks like a cool setup though. If they can get the trigger pull to be at least somewhat OK, they should be popular. I'm sure that as soon as someone here gets one, we'll see pics and maybe a video. I hope so anyway. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 While I like bullpups generally (have owned an AUG, a bushmaster pistol and a Mossberg pump bullpup), the major issue I have with almost all of them is I'm left handed and the shells would eject into my face. The AUG could be switched and the pump gun wasn't so much an issue, but a Saiga 12 would probably bust my teeth out with the cocking handle coming back. Looks like a cool setup though. If they can get the trigger pull to be at least somewhat OK, they should be popular. I'm sure that as soon as someone here gets one, we'll see pics and maybe a video. I hope so anyway. Corbin When you gain compactness, you loose in erganomics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) When you gain compactness, you loose in erganomics. Mine fits me fine, but I do agree that most of them are a right handed game only. The new Kel-Tech does promise to be an exception with front ejection coaxial with barrel. I have had mine a LONG time and I really just discovered something new about it the other day. One of the legitimate problems with the weapon is that it can be slower to load. I was sitting there on the couch the other morning and working out a faster loading method, when I discovered something. The grove in the bottom of the grip had puzzled me for quite a while. I am not sure, this could have been in the manual I never got, but the grove is a loading tool. You just push the mag up against it, and slide it back following the mags arch till it locks directly into the mag port. It is a lot easer and faster then the method I have been using, I always wondered why they when with such an angle and now I know. It is really quite clever. I met the Russian designer of the stock at the SOF Convention in Vegas, nice old fellow. He was pretty proud of his design and I enjoyed talking to him! He told me that he had also assisted in design work on the AK74. Edited March 7, 2009 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot12 11 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 When you gain compactness, you loose in erganomics. Mine fits me fine, but I do agree that most of them are a right handed game only. The new Kel-Tech does promise to be an exception with front ejection coaxial with barrel. I have had mine a LONG time and I really just discovered something new about it the other day. One of the legitimate problems with the weapon is that it can be slower to load. I was sitting there on the couch the other morning and working out a faster loading method, when I discovered something. The grove in the bottom of the grip had puzzled me for quite a while. I am not sure, this could have been in the manual I never got, but the grove is a loading tool. You just push the mag up against it, and slide it back following the mags arch till it locks directly into the mag port. It is a lot easer and faster then the method I have been using, I always wondered why they when with such an angle and now I know. It is really quite clever. I met the Russian designer of the stock at the SOF Convention in Vegas, nice old fellow. He was pretty proud of his design and I enjoyed talking to him! He told me that he had also assisted in design work on the AK74. Bull Pups tend to work better is they are designed that way from the start. Conversions always seem to compromise in other areas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Nice. How legal is this conversion? Does it meet the OAL requirement for semi-autos? Would it be Cali legal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I'd kinda like to see more of this kit also. Like how much does it cost, how short can I get the barrel and how do you change the gas setting? Might be a fun project. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
52brandon 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Saiga 12 bullpup stock kit. Visit: WWW.KUSHNAPUP.COM Looks pretty cool. But whats the price? That's pretty damn awesome. But unfortunately I am also lefty and don't much like the idea of getting shells to my face. If only it were somehow reversible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Federal law is an AOL of 26" with an 18" barrel on a shotgun (16 on a rifle). Be sure to check your State law though. Here in MI, I think the AOL is 28" for a shotty and if it's under 30", you have to register it as a handgun. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Saiga 12 bullpup stock kit. Visit: WWW.KUSHNAPUP.COM Looks pretty cool. But whats the price? Yup, a more compact package might just be what I need to empty out the bank account Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 My kVAR Bullpup kit is has neither a gritty trigger pull, nor is of "junk" construction. You apparently don't know that much about them since you are not sure of how the trigger actually works. I built my with a Norinco Mac 90 but it has a hard (about 7 Lbs) crisp trigger. The one you fired had obviously been built by someone less skilled. The one fellow that I recall on here that actually built one seemed to have some issues with the size of the S12 being a little on the large size for the kVAR kit, but he made it work. It really does not make a difference if folks like them or not, Bullpups are in use with many of the world's armed forces (China, Israel, Britain, Australia, France etc...) and are the future. Most informative post about a bullpup in a long time, thanks for the enlightenment, I'm not really into the design, but it it definitely nice hearing a real review from someone with actual experience in the platform. I'm f*ing sick of the copy & paste posts that have become so common in the firearms community. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 If this kit is under $500 and is of good quality, they will sell like hotcakes. The biggest deterrent to most of the bullpup configurations is that you have to convert it anyway, so you've got the time/money in it already and then have to start the bullpup mods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Domar Vester 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hello I contacted Kushnapup and here is the reply from Bjorn G Muller: $ 275 retail, kushnapup stock kit is available now if you send payment to me. I hand check all of the parts and test everything to make sure you are gauranteed the highest quality. We have a distributor we are negotiating with so they will be available at retail in gun shops soon if you would like to wait. Price sounds good but I would like to see one first. Domar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-308 2 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 While I like bullpups generally (have owned an AUG, a bushmaster pistol and a Mossberg pump bullpup), the major issue I have with almost all of them is I'm left handed and the shells would eject into my face. The AUG could be switched and the pump gun wasn't so much an issue, but a Saiga 12 would probably bust my teeth out with the cocking handle coming back. Looks like a cool setup though. If they can get the trigger pull to be at least somewhat OK, they should be popular. I'm sure that as soon as someone here gets one, we'll see pics and maybe a video. I hope so anyway. Corbin When you gain compactness, you loose in erganomics. HAve you ever even shot a bullpup??? You can't beat the balance and maneuverability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I didn't even notice the vid link on their site at first..... http://www.kushnapup.com/homepage/100_1308.MOV It looks like it's easier to handle than what I imagined. Seemed awkward when I first saw it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArcFault 4 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 The LOP looks ridiculous. I'm also wondering how one adjusts the gas plug. It does look cool though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullerbjorn 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Look no further check it out! www.kushnapup.com! Anyone think it'd be possible to make a Saiga-12 Bullpup like the AK-47 Bullpup from Century Arms? i just think it'd be cool looking but as far as performance not sure how that would work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 OK Lighting12. Spill the beans is the Kushnapup your design? I like it as I like bullpup designs and a all in one kit for the Saiga 12 is sweet. If this is your product you may want to consider becoming a business member on the board to help getting the product to us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) I am concerned with the LOP as well. It looks like the pistol grip has to be far enough forward to accomodate the magazine and the stock assembly has to set the receiver relatively far forward of the butt to allow room for the trigger linkage. All the same I think I will get one when I get settled in at my new residence. Also, does anyone know if the rail comes with it? I looks an Ultimak in the pics, so I am guessing not. I did not see it in the pic that shows the kit in pieces. Edited March 11, 2009 by stiletto raggio Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 After a few rounds of e-mails I have some specs. 29.5" = Over all length with a 18" barrel 18" = Length of pull 3/8" = Trigger pull This design does not require any permanent modification to the S12. That is why the LOP is so damn long. If it were designed to have the rear tangs removed it could be 2" shorter... right about where it needs to be. Hopefully they come out with two variations: one no-mod variation and the other 2" shorter. I am interested, but 18" LOP !!!! That is way too much, and I am 6'1". I cannot imagine anyone shorter trying to handle that LOP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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