jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Here's your chance to let the media know where the people stand on our faith in God, as a nation. NBC is taking a poll on "In God We Trust" to stay on our American currency. Please send this to every Christian you know so they can vote on this important subject. Please do it right away, before NBC takes this off the web page. Poll is still open so you can vote. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 It's not really OUR currency,it's promisary notes issued by a cartel of private banks called the Federal Reserve and I don't think God has anything to do with money,usury or the printing thereof and I don't think he cares for giant pyramids with disembodied eyeballs on them either,LOL I get where you are coming from but..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evil04svtcobra 0 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) It's not really OUR currency,it's promisary notes issued by a cartel of private banks called the Federal Reserve and I don't think God has anything to do with money,usury or the printing thereof and I don't think he cares for giant pyramids with disembodied eyeballs on them either,LOL I get where you are coming from but..... but the giant pyramid with the disembodied eye ball..... represents the all seeing eye of god. i personally think there should be no link between religion and government at the state or federal level. just my 2 cents Edited March 11, 2009 by evil04svtcobra Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 It's not really OUR currency,it's promisary notes issued by a cartel of private banks called the Federal Reserve and I don't think God has anything to do with money,usury or the printing thereof and I don't think he cares for giant pyramids with disembodied eyeballs on them either,LOL I get where you are coming from but..... but the giant pyramid with the disembodied eye ball..... represents the all seeing eye of god. i personally think there should be no link between religion and government at the state or federal level. just my 2 cents "God" as it is used by the people who originally utilized that symbol wasn't necessarily the "God" you had in mind Go read some Albert Pike and Helena Blavatsky and some Alister Crowley and get back with me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 6 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Libnuts say there is no God. They should look at how the flag is and know the Bible. Our country was founded with God"s help, by mostly of folks of Celtic descent, which background came from peoples of God's Israel, of the first dispersion. On the flag six white strips, 6 as the number for man in the Bible, and surrounded mostly by 7 red strips, for the shed blood.....Ed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scarbrough68289 76 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I'm atheist and not a "Libnut". But personally don't care what's on our money. Might as well be a big middle finger with "go fuck yourself" emblazoned across the top. I don't find religion offensive and if makes the masses happy then good for them. But religion really has no place in government. FIRST AMENDMENT "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafan12345 21 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 There is no need for "God" on the currency. The entire modern religious right/republican thing is a gross, uneducated twisting of history for the benefit of a few mega churches and political power. The "God" of the founding fathers is not the God these people think he is. The FF's were predominantly deists and recent evidence suggests many may have simply been atheists who said they were deists simply for political purposes. It is not right that these right wing establishments are re-writing history to benefit their views, it's just as wrong as the left-wing ones who re-write the Civil War. "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823 "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution" - James Madison Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 It is nice that everybody has an opinion. So far the poll shows Yes. It's a violation of the principle of separation of church and state. 14% No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion. 86% Kind of one sided, don't you think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Thomas Jefferson, Notes on State of Virginia "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice cannot sleep forever." Quotes of James Madison "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded. " I think if we quote the forefathers, we should try to do so with some understanding of their true beliefs. The intent was to not have a gov't ran and controlled by a a central church. I'm sorry some of you don't believe in God, personaly, I don't believe in gravity......but I do have faith in it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Fuck money! he he he Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 *sigh* Here we go again... Why the compulsion to weave religious beliefs into government? It seems to me that someones personal faith and belief in their god should be enough for them to be at peace, and not always fighting and agitating with everyone who doesn't believe what they do. Sounds like many musilms, doesn't it? To quote the Founding Fathers always cracks me up. They all had various beliefs, and some were quite devout. AND THEY STILL EXPLICITLY CALLED FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! Obviously they were a lot smarter than many people today. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787 Oh, and check this out... http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090310/ts_cs...3VydmV5c2Vlc2Fk Personally, I don't care what anybody's religious beliefs are. Whatever makes you feel better. Just leave the rest of us out of it. Christians (never mind all the other religions out there) can't even agree among themselves, which sect gets to decide what's on the money? Hey, I know! since there just printing the shit up as needed anyway, lets have protestant dollars,and catholic dollars, and jewish dollars, and baptist dollars, and jehovah witness dollars, and morman dollars, etc. Then everyone will be happy, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kwicko 8 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Interestingly, "In God We Trust" hasn't been on our paper currency for very long. It first appeared October 1, 1957, on Silver Certificates. It started appearing on coins in 1864, during the height of the Civil War. The Founding Fathers had absolutely nothing to do with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Really people, do you actually think that "God" would want to be associated with man's evil money?!? You must be the same "Christians" that think it's cool to be at war and step over those smelly homeless! "God" would have us settle our differences in a better way. I think "God" would have us living off the land and not being fat over-consuming war mongers! Our government is not much different than the Romans. We spend the vast majority of money on constant warfare! Better put "God's" name on that!! If a person wants to spend money on helping out fellow Americans he's a Socialist. So money is for killing not helping.Go Christians, Go! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RalphXL 9 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 AND THEY STILL EXPLICITLY CALLED FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! I would like to see where the phrase "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" is in the constitution. RalphXL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcpny 3 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Wow, tough crowd.... Ill throw my .00000002 cents in... Seems to me like they're doing to "God" what they're doing to guns. Little by little they're taking it/him away from us. Now most (myself included) will say, "no one can take my God away from me" but where is it leading to? Whats next? What will they take from us next? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Sounds like Madalyn Murray O'Hair speaking from the grave. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O%27Hair Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='RalphXL' date='Mar 11 2009, 10:08 PM' post='331306 AND THEY STILL EXPLICITLY CALLED FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! I would like to see where the phrase "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" is in the constitution. RalphXL Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. English is my first language, what about this don't you understand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion[/u], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. English is my first language, what about this don't you understand? Where, in there, is putting 'In God We Trust' on our money an establishment of religion? The separation of church and state was in a letter Jefferson wrote to the Baptist church. How about football teams being told they can't pray before a game? That sounds more like an infringement to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 "In God we trust" became the official U.S. national motto after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956. Our forefathers didn't put it there. Saigafun12345 is correct when he pointed out they were predominantly deists. They believed in a God, but who knows what God. The Christian faith sure takes a beating now days, mostly because 76% of Americans claim to be Christian, but how many really are? Look who got to be president. He opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008) and claims to be Christian. The list is endless, those who claim to belive in a God, any God, and those who practice the teachings of their God are two different lists. I don't want the mix of church and state, unfortunatly, when my tax dollars are going to be spent on beliefs that I am opposed to, then it becomes a real problem. As for the printing of the money,.....Who cares......The real issue is where is it being spent........imho..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RangerM9 1 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I don't want the mix of church and state, unfortunatly, when my tax dollars are going to be spent on beliefs that I am opposed to, then it becomes a real problem. As for the printing of the money,.....Who cares......The real issue is where is it being spent........imho..... Right, the problem is that you are not the only citizen of the nation and your views are not any more valid than any other persons in the nation. If you establish a law regarding religion...or based off of religious beliefs you are not respecting the rights of others with a different religious view, all of whom (so long as they are citizens) have the same rights as you. There are already laws involving religion, look at our tax laws, non-profit churches (yes...like the good ole PTL...they were non-profit) are tax exempt, but of course the lawmakers get to decide what is a legit religion and what is not. Satanism, is in fact a religion yet they do not get tax exemption becuase it is not an "acceptable" religion per the government. I don't find in god we trust to be an issue of law and i'm not offended by it. I do get offended when any tax dollars are used to support religious based groups/schools....that takes a law to happen, and it is not applied evenly across the board, thus to me seems unconstitutional. my 2 cents...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinderl 43 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ....And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. "In God We Trust" was certainly something the founders did agree on. They declared their independence "with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence". Jefferson himself signed that and he's where the term "separation of church and state" comes from. Edited March 13, 2009 by sidewinderl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 12 million and a half people said no, dont remove it, when I voted. 86% Here is BVamp's lecture on God - God is good, there is one true god, and that God is good and well...I dont care WHAT the fuck you call it, them, the other thing, but the good nature of all of us, is GOOD, and THAT is what GOD said. Call it what you will..... I have half a mind to take the 5 copies of "gods word" (noteably written by MEN) that are in print, and shoot them into one friggin book, and be done with it, just to prove my point. 99% of mankind I think, knows who God is, and that they are good. Its the 1% i worry about these days..... -end of BVamps thoughts- my maker is good and loves me, and understands me, no matter what I call them, it, he, or she.....I have the highest confidence in this, my friends....... In God We Trust should stand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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