iSaiga 4 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Howzit Saigaphiles, I took a shotgun training course back in August. This being my first training course, I didn't know what to expect exactly. When I arrived, I realized that I was sort of the odd-man-out. Everyone else had pump shotguns and were wearing tactical load-bearing vests. After I got my gear ready and assembled with everyone else, I started getting looks. The instructor looked my Tromix S-17 over and said "What the F*** is that?". I explained, but his eyes really popped when he saw the drum. While loading my mags (in shoulder map bag), I overheard the comment "Who brings a man purse to a shotgun course?" Safety briefing over, we started with patterning exercises and proceeded through out the day with different drills. I found the "Mireles Drill" challenging with the S-17, but not impossible. After my solo run through a serpentine/ multiple threats drill, the disparaging comments ceased and I received lots of compliments/questions about my Saiga. It appears that they liked it enough to post the video on their website: www.combat-terror.com Here's the youTube Link: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaymce 7 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I overheard the comment "Who brings a man purse to a shotgun course?" After my solo run through a serpentine/ multiple threats drill, the disparaging comments ceased and I received lots of compliments/questions about my Saiga. Good work. Love that. I got the same style comments the first time I went shooting pins with my DE. Comments stopped when I ripped 6 pins in about 6-8 seconds. I know not a great time but for the first time out I thought good. It is a good feeling to hear the commenter's eating crow. Same results when I shoot trap with the Saiga. Everyone has to comment until you kick them with a low 20s. For some reason their tunes always change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 HA that's f*ing sweet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 lol at dudes making fun of your sneaky bag. Good job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigcec1 72 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 You should get a patch on the front that says offical saiga man purse ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 That was a pretty awesome vid man! Were you local, or did you fly out for the course? The reason I ask is that I have been thinking about going to something similar to this. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KROSS FA 14 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Awesome. Looks like you were tearing it up. Is that the Hellion mounted on there? If so it's the first video yet of the Hellion on the S-17. Cool vid! Zach KROSS F.A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Nice video... It's always fun to show off the S-12, especially when you break out the drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iSaiga 4 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Awesome. Looks like you were tearing it up. Is that the Hellion mounted on there? If so it's the first video yet of the Hellion on the S-17. Cool vid! Zach KROSS F.A. Kross: Yes, that's your Hellion on the front of my S-17! It fits tight and is so light I didn't even notice the change in hand guards. Felt super solid and the finish is flawless, not a machine mark on it. The Hellion allowed me to mount a stubby VFG upfront for awesome muzzle control. I highly recommend it for anyone with an S-17. P.S.: Thanks for shipping so quickly! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iSaiga 4 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 That was a pretty awesome vid man! Were you local, or did you fly out for the course? The reason I ask is that I have been thinking about going to something similar to this. Thanks for sharing. Hey Moe! Yeah, I'm 'local', living in Utah county temporarily. I learned plenny in the course, despite the disrespect, and I will train with them again. The lead instructor, Dennis is very knowledgeable. The 8-hour course went by very quickly. C'mon out! I don't want to be the lone Saiga out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
camon 233 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Hahaha, Compare the S12 with this guy: Zombies have a new fear, Russian steel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Hey Moe! Yeah, I'm 'local', living in Utah county temporarily. I learned plenny in the course, despite the disrespect, and I will train with them again. The lead instructor, Dennis is very knowledgeable. The 8-hour course went by very quickly. C'mon out! I don't want to be the lone Saiga out there. I went to their site and was looking at the Urban Rifle/Pistol course on Oct 10th. If work allows, I might try to make it out there for it. I'd be brining my x39 and my Witness .45. I would love to do a shotgun course as well, but it doesn't look like they have any more this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 BTW, I counted ~35 shots in that video, is that right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dlcjr1973 24 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I'm sure the gun-tube guys who had disparaging things to say about your Saiga and mag bag were doing the math while you were shooting. Shots sent downrange plus the number of targets hit divided by total time spent reloading equals one helluva lot more dead zombies! I watched both Parts 1 and 2, and I couldn't help feeling a little smug about the glaring differences. Thanks for sharing and thanks for exposing the wider world to our beloved "novelty gun" (as a local range worker recently called mine until he saw it shoot). Regards, Sapper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teddyraynelson 2 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 That's a great comparison video. How do you even bring a pump shotgun out after watching someone run their course with Saiga? ISAIGA: did the instructor make you go first? I think if you shot first, I'd put my pump gun away and say I forgot my shit at home. Hahaha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iSaiga 4 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 BTW, I counted ~35 shots in that video, is that right? Yep. Here's the stats: 10 Targets (2 steel, 8 Paper) Rounds Fired: 35 (30 Buck, 5 Slugs) Rounds-Per-Target: 3.5 Total Time: 35.8 seconds Reload 1: 9.5 seconds(forgot to lock bolt back) Reload 2: 5.6 seconds Not bad for a 'Novelty' gun. One question I got repeatedly was: "Yeah, but is it reliable?" My Answer: "Well, It went bang every time I pulled the trigger today" We fired 300+ rounds in the 8 hour training day. I didn't have a single FTF/FTE. Now, if I had that JT Mag well, I could cut those reloads down to about 3 seconds... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iSaiga 4 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ISAIGA: did the instructor make you go first? No, I was like third out of 15 guys. He did ask to try out my gun after the class though I notice they didn't post my "Box Drill" with the drum. Too much of an apples-to-apples comparison perhaps? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ISAIGA: did the instructor make you go first? No, I was like third out of 15 guys. He did ask to try out my gun after the class though I notice they didn't post my "Box Drill" with the drum. Too much of an apples-to-apples comparison perhaps? They don't want to alienate thier audience. Besides, they did still let you use yours, no reason to complain. Nice vid, cool story. Thanks for posting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 BTW, I counted ~35 shots in that video, is that right? Yep. Here's the stats: 10 Targets (2 steel, 8 Paper) Rounds Fired: 35 (30 Buck, 5 Slugs) Rounds-Per-Target: 3.5 Total Time: 35.8 seconds Reload 1: 9.5 seconds(forgot to lock bolt back) Reload 2: 5.6 seconds Not bad for a 'Novelty' gun. One question I got repeatedly was: "Yeah, but is it reliable?" My Answer: "Well, It went bang every time I pulled the trigger today" We fired 300+ rounds in the 8 hour training day. I didn't have a single FTF/FTE. Now, if I had that JT Mag well, I could cut those reloads down to about 3 seconds... Man, that is awesome. Thanks for helping us garner a little more respect at the range! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mscottrogers 56 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 IT'S NOT A MAN PURSE! It s a Satchel, Indiana Jones carried one. You guys here in Utah? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Very nice. I want a SBS so bad... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
camon 233 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 IT'S NOT A MAN PURSE! It s a Satchel, Indiana Jones carried one. You guys here in Utah? Haha Jack Bauer carries one too. Such a damn shame the 2nd Half of season 7 sucked sooooo bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Maybe they were just teasing you because you are left-handed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kilo 0 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Great video......Tromix probably got 14 more hits after that class ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iSaiga 4 Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Maybe they were just teasing you because you are left-handed How'd you know!? I was also the only lefty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KROSS FA 14 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Awesome. Looks like you were tearing it up. Is that the Hellion mounted on there? If so it's the first video yet of the Hellion on the S-17. Cool vid! Zach KROSS F.A. Kross: Yes, that's your Hellion on the front of my S-17! It fits tight and is so light I didn't even notice the change in hand guards. Felt super solid and the finish is flawless, not a machine mark on it. The Hellion allowed me to mount a stubby VFG upfront for awesome muzzle control. I highly recommend it for anyone with an S-17. P.S.: Thanks for shipping so quickly! Awesome, and I'm glad to hear it helped give you a tactical advantage out there! The S-17 is a truly sweet platform, keep showing those guys what they're missing! Zach KROSS F.A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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