DrtyHarry 0 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hi guys, I'm on the edge of doing a conversion to my S12. I'd like to go with a folding stock but want to make sure I get/order one that wont interfere with having a drum mag on. When I do the conversion, I'm not sure what folding stocks will fold with a drum magazine on. If none will work, I may get a telescopic one instead. In other words, I want to be sure the stock will fold with a drum magazine attached to it. Can someone please tell me what folding stocks will work and possibly where to get it? Thanks in advance. DH (I must admit, I'm a bit nervous doing the conversion myself. Wish me luck.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hi Harry, Welcome. It is my understanding that none of the folding stocks will fold completely with a drum attached. However. I believe Mike at MD Arms is currently developing a mechanism that will allow it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrtyHarry 0 Posted January 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hi Harry, Welcome. It is my understanding that none of the folding stocks will fold completely with a drum attached. However. I believe Mike at MD Arms is currently developing a mechanism that will allow it. Interesting, I can't wait to see what they come up with. I guess I'll go with something telescopic for now. I have the tapco AR butt on it now and it just doesn't look right. This was going to be an SBR project, but I want to keep it at 16" now. DH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hmmmmmm........I may have to go home and check this theory..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I can tell from the pic that yours won't completely clear the drum, Rob. Regardless, it doesn't really matter. One could fold the stock as far as it will go, (not locked in position), and fire the gun that way. The stock might flop back and rest against your shoulder/ribs, but it shouldn't affect anything negatively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Here's the mechanism that you need Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Here's the mechanism that you need Awesome! More reliable than velcro! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ufo 20 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 2 DrtyHarry If you find way how to fold buttend(take off) it will work... Or without stock at all... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Mine does not fold all the way with the drum, and it's not a big deal at all... I really only fold it to transport... if I'm shooting the gun I have the stock locked open, and if I do need to shoot it folded in a match or something I have the 10rd mags... I am curious how the folding mech will work though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Maybe it'll be like that "thing that goes up"? What do they call it... a barrel shroud? I'm not really sure how you could do it. Maybe with a custom stock of some kind? Like the one on the Spas12, only that folds along the side instead of the top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 The ONLY setup that will allow a stock to fully fold behind an MD20 is the short-LOP ACE stock with no buttpad and an external folding block. It will just barely clear the drum. External blocks look a bit funny, though. Theres also no real reason to want to fold it with the drum inserted; folding stocks are meant for transport and you wouldn't want to transport it with the drum inserted nor would you want to shoot it with the stock folded, IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 D.R. beat me to the answer. There's a pic of Cobra's S12 set up like that somewhere around here. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John_pro2a 3 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) A folding stock that would work with the drum should be possible. Combine a side folder, with a butt that also folds -- either stright forward, or back against the stock's arm. It could look kind of like a VZ58 stock but it would also need to fold right at the butt similar to this shotgun stock, only the stock would be on the side of the Saiga 12, and that butt would either extend straight forward along the barrel, or straight back along the stock. Probably a pita to make, but it should be possible and should function if you make a strong enough hinge/locking mechanism. Edited February 2, 2010 by John_pro2a Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 That's what I was suggesting. It wouldn't be that hard to make really, especially for someone with a machine shop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrtyHarry 0 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The ONLY setup that will allow a stock to fully fold behind an MD20 is the short-LOP ACE stock with no buttpad and an external folding block. It will just barely clear the drum. Can you please post or direct me to a picture of one? I've searched high and low and can't seem to locate a pic. Thank you. DH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evo 0 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Will a yugo or bulgy underfolder clear? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Can you please post or direct me to a picture of one? I've searched high and low and can't seem to locate a pic. Thank you. DH Hope that helps. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bullseyeboy 11 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 An ATI strikeforce collapseable folding stock might. Bullseyeboy- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrtyHarry 0 Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Can you please post or direct me to a picture of one? I've searched high and low and can't seem to locate a pic. Thank you. DH Hope that helps. Corbin Thanks so much, looks nice!!! DH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMTLoyalist 0 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Does anyone know of a folder that will clear an MD20 on an unconverted saiga? If you plan on just telling me that I should convert, dont bother.. Thanks for any input Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrtyHarry 0 Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Anyone else have pics with folding stocks that close with drum attached? Thanks! DH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
africamagical 5 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Hi Harry, Welcome. It is my understanding that none of the folding stocks will fold completely with a drum attached. However. I believe Mike at MD Arms is currently developing a mechanism that will allow it. Interesting, I can't wait to see what they come up with. I guess I'll go with something telescopic for now. I have the tapco AR butt on it now and it just doesn't look right. This was going to be an SBR project, but I want to keep it at 16" now. DH you do know the legal limit for shotguns is 18" not 16" which is the limit for rifles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrtyHarry 0 Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Hi Harry, Welcome. It is my understanding that none of the folding stocks will fold completely with a drum attached. However. I believe Mike at MD Arms is currently developing a mechanism that will allow it. Interesting, I can't wait to see what they come up with. I guess I'll go with something telescopic for now. I have the tapco AR butt on it now and it just doesn't look right. This was going to be an SBR project, but I want to keep it at 16" now. DH you do know the legal limit for shotguns is 18" not 16" which is the limit for rifles My mistake, I meant 18". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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