Paulry 50 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Just seen this on GB and had to do a double take! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=173778695 At least the ammo is less than the .308 and would completely out class the AR/ AK standards. I don't know why the Russians never did this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeepranch 16 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 there has been alot of discussion on the other boards about these. I believe they only are supposed to shoot light ball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Interesting idea, but meh. No high-capacity magazines, and price is about 200 higher than I'd be willing to pay. Also, the furniture would have to go. Put some nice wood on that gun, knock the price down a couple hundred bucks and/or include some 20-round or higher mags, you're in there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 there has been alot of discussion on the other boards about these. I believe they only are supposed to shoot light ball. You're right, and light ball is just what I'd want to use in this weapon. There are mods that can be made if you want to safely shoot heavier projectiles without beating up the weapon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 (edited) I like the concept, but that rimmed cartridge would make for a curvy mag for 20+ rounds... and I'd think that with a 16" barrel, you wouldn't gain a whole lot over .308 / 7.62x51, except muzzle flash. In my humble opinion, the x54R needs at least 22" of barrel to prove any kind of superiority over 7.62 NATO. I like the idea of cheap surplus ammo, but I haven't seen much in a while... That said, I think 8x57mm would be very interesting too! Macbeau sends... Edited June 12, 2010 by macbeau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 that is sweet.. cleaning shorts now.. considering they toss in Arsenal furniture which runs almost $100. its not a bad deal. question is does anyone HERE have one yet to review?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 You folks have seriously never seen one of these before? Folks have been doing this conversion to their PSLs for a long time now. Nothing new here. . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 My suggestion is to fire a Mosin carbine first before you buy one of these. Then, you'll have an idea whether you will be able to tolerate the report/shockwave that emanates from a 16 inch barrel shooting 7.62x54r. (Mosin carbines have 20 inch barrels, and man are they loud). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sKott 26 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 I am in the process of building mine. It will have an 18" barrel and better furniture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Interesting idea, but meh. No high-capacity magazines, and price is about 200 higher than I'd be willing to pay. Also, the furniture would have to go. Put some nice wood on that gun, knock the price down a couple hundred bucks and/or include some 20-round or higher mags, you're in there. I have never heard of 10+rnd x54r mags. Did anyone ever produce mags of the capacity? Maybe someone could mod a DP-28 drum for it. I would think they never produced this rifle in Russia because recoil would be completely unmanagable in FA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Looks interesting, as long as 7.62x54R is available cheap. If not, I would rather have a Saiga in .308 if I wanted a MBR Style AK. I do like the fact that is is built here in the USA! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I do like the fact that is is built here in the USA! Really? A Romanian rifle, built in the USA? Gotta love a law that says adding some US-made parts totally changes reality. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 didn't figure a PSL with some AK handguards would cause such a splash.. (ok exagerating, but only barely) Been thinking about doing one myself but I've decided I need to finish all my other projects first.. Like that gun (or 10) that is at some point supposed to have 20 mags and a nice scope sitting in the safe "half finished"? Finaly decided no more new guns until I've finished the old ones Oh, and I've picked up two new projects since I made that decision.. woops.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeepranch 16 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 didn't figure a PSL with some AK handguards would cause such a splash.. (ok exagerating, but only barely) Been thinking about doing one myself but I've decided I need to finish all my other projects first.. Like that gun (or 10) that is at some point supposed to have 20 mags and a nice scope sitting in the safe "half finished"? Finaly decided no more new guns until I've finished the old ones Oh, and I've picked up two new projects since I made that decision.. woops.. CF is coming out with one heck of a deal on these, 6 mags, scope and all the accessories for less than their list price at the moment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enthusiast 22 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I just received an email from Centerfire for one of these. Is it a good deal at $839? I am thinking of picking one up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 There are mixed reviews. I am not at all saying these things are unsafe, but there is already a thread up on theakfrum where two people have had catastrophic FTF issues resulting in bullets damaging the rifle. There is another thread on akfiles where someones piston was lodged into hit gas tube... I would carefully read about the dangers of this rifle and evaluate if $839 is a good deal or not. It looks like the manufacturers are doing a good job fixing the issues, but Ill be damned if I am gonna take a chance with my life just to be an early adopter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enthusiast 22 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 There are mixed reviews. I am not at all saying these things are unsafe, but there is already a thread up on theakfrum where two people have had catastrophic FTF issues resulting in bullets damaging the rifle. There is another thread on akfiles where someones piston was lodged into hit gas tube... I would carefully read about the dangers of this rifle and evaluate if $839 is a good deal or not. It looks like the manufacturers are doing a good job fixing the issues, but Ill be damned if I am gonna take a chance with my life just to be an early adopter. Thanks for your reply. I was not aware of the problems. Looks like I need to do more research. I think I will just settle on the 308 caliber figure which platform to go with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 There are mixed reviews. I am not at all saying these things are unsafe, but there is already a thread up on theakfrum where two people have had catastrophic FTF issues resulting in bullets damaging the rifle. There is another thread on akfiles where someones piston was lodged into hit gas tube... I would carefully read about the dangers of this rifle and evaluate if $839 is a good deal or not. It looks like the manufacturers are doing a good job fixing the issues, but Ill be damned if I am gonna take a chance with my life just to be an early adopter. Thanks for your reply. I was not aware of the problems. Looks like I need to do more research. I think I will just settle on the 308 caliber figure which platform to go with. well I want to be clear, I am not saying these things are unsafe, I would just wait for a few POSITIVE range reports before buying. I mean if these things work without killing the operator, they would be the tits! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sKott 26 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I've got my build just about finished up. It sports an 18" barrel. I dont know about catastrophic failures but I will check it out. sKott 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeepranch 16 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I've got my build just about finished up. It sports an 18" barrel. I dont know about catastrophic failures but I will check it out. sKott very nice, where did you get your wood? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You all may find this reply strange... But I STILL have yet to comprehend this "NEED" for "high capacity" magazines for rifles like this... If you cant kill it with the first bullet of X54... you are probably doing something very wrong, and should be using something else... If you have to spray dozens of bullets downrange, purely to spray bullets downrange... see if you can get me a job where you work... cause they must pay very well for you to be able to waste that kind of money on turning cash into noise that fast. I have 2 PSL rifles... and I have *YET* to need more than just two or maybe 3 rounds within 30 seconds of time. If I am shooting for "groups" I am waiting in between EACH SHOT for the barrel to cool... if I am blasting... 10 rounds is enough to get the rifle too hot for my taste, and accuracy goes right in the shitcan. A shorter barrel, I doubt, will resist the heat much more than a longer one. So just out of curiosity... WHY the need to have 20 or 30 rounds of X54 in a rifle that isnt going to shoot worth a fuck after round number 3 leaves the barrel?!??!!? Long magazines catch on everything... short ones do not... weight is an issue, I would rather have 10 5 round mags loaded in pockets than 3 20 rounders... but again... thats just me. I am just curious as to the logic of " I wouldnt buy one unless hicaps were available " or the like... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 So just out of curiosity... WHY the need to have 20 or 30 rounds of X54 in a rifle that isnt going to shoot worth a fuck after round number 3 leaves the barrel?!??!!? In my range session last week, it shot fine even in rapid fire. But I wasn't shooting for tight groups when I was doing that. (Mind you, the laminate was melting off the handguard after my 10 rounds of rapid fire). People want high capacity mags because it gives them options, especially in a Mad Max SHTF environment that they will likely never experience. For my own part, I wanted the PSL to be an MBR, but it just can't do that with any effectiveness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulry 50 Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You all may find this reply strange... But I STILL have yet to comprehend this "NEED" for "high capacity" magazines for rifles like this... If you cant kill it with the first bullet of X54... you are probably doing something very wrong, and should be using something else... If you have to spray dozens of bullets downrange, purely to spray bullets downrange... see if you can get me a job where you work... cause they must pay very well for you to be able to waste that kind of money on turning cash into noise that fast. I have 2 PSL rifles... and I have *YET* to need more than just two or maybe 3 rounds within 30 seconds of time. If I am shooting for "groups" I am waiting in between EACH SHOT for the barrel to cool... if I am blasting... 10 rounds is enough to get the rifle too hot for my taste, and accuracy goes right in the shitcan. A shorter barrel, I doubt, will resist the heat much more than a longer one. So just out of curiosity... WHY the need to have 20 or 30 rounds of X54 in a rifle that isnt going to shoot worth a fuck after round number 3 leaves the barrel?!??!!? Long magazines catch on everything... short ones do not... weight is an issue, I would rather have 10 5 round mags loaded in pockets than 3 20 rounders... but again... thats just me. I am just curious as to the logic of " I wouldnt buy one unless hicaps were available " or the like... +1 my point exactly! Hell during the big one 8- .3006 worked just fine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 An AK-54 probably wont be used as a sniper/hunting riffle. I like the fact that the 54r round is more powerful than most other AK rounds and is still kind of cheap. Higher capacity=bigger smile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Sorta off topic but a lot of whats said has me wanting to ask a bit about PSLs Always heard they heated up fast and accuracy sucked after a few rounds.. But I had hoped it was exagerated.. Definately makes me revaluate buying one if it sucks after 3 shots without cooling down (and when your shooting in 115 degrees, it doesn't really cool down). How does the accuracy drop compare to saiga .308s or other .308s? or the 54r saiga? And I'm a pretty big fan of knocking off a bunch of targets as fast as I can, and with 54r ammo prices being what they are, definately would be using this rifle for that if I got one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PTGT_Neon 1 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Some guys on the AKfiles forum have carved out more clearance between the hand guard and the barrel so the barrel doesn't heat up in one spot. I'm going to try cryogenic treatment and see what that does. Another thing you could try is clamping the accustrut on the end of the barrel. http://www.accu-strut.com/ There is debate on whether or not shortening the barrel improves accuracy. I haven't seen anything to confirm it. Jump in and tinker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 GregM1. Russian did make some rifles in this caliber FA. Early SVT40's were full auto but the army dropped that idea because no one was able to handle the recoil for the rifle to be effective. All later models were semi. Some full autos were also converted to semi. I even saw one on GB that was original marked FA. Volkov. The PSL arnt inaccurate when the barrel heats up they just won't win you any competitions. My would always hit center mass just not where I was aiming. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Now some one needs to do this with a PKM parts kit and I will be extra happy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTaHejAdF-4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I just received an email from Centerfire for one of these. Is it a good deal at $839? I am thinking of picking one up. Atlantic has them at the same price. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeepranch 16 Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I just received an email from Centerfire for one of these. Is it a good deal at $839? I am thinking of picking one up. Atlantic has them at the same price. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx Not if you consider centerfire is giving you 4 mags and a scope Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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