MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) From reading on here I seen that people are having issues with their BHO somtimes jamming. I ordered an S12 offline and mine seems to be coming with a BHO installed. Im kind of on the fence about removing it, due to the horror stories I hear. I was going to reprofile my bolt so I can load an full mag, I may just send it to Steelin'. Im doing my own conversion, so Im going to have the internals out anyway. Is the BHO worth it? If not how did you remove it Edited February 1, 2011 by MrOneEyedBoh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 leave it on. when you go to do youre conversion, you can cut a little groove for the spring to sit. problem solved. the bho is very handy when reloading drums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 its just a plate just dont reinstall it when you do the conversion. i removed mine since when you do the conversion the BHO button is next to the trigger and is quite uncomfortable for a right handed shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThirtyAughtSix 101 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) It was worth it to me until it flew out when re-assembling the FCG last night and its crappy little spring flew away for ever. It is worth it at the range when they call a cease fire so you can follow the rules and hold the bold open. There are also safeties(I think?) that will hold the bolt open. It does help when you are inspecting the firearm and it really is handy, I just realized I'm going to miss mine. ETA: Found the cat playing with it in another room about an hour ago and promptly stuck it back in (about 15 min, think I'm going to go pro!). On my .308 it is harder to install the BHO spring as I have added a spring on the left side of the trigger pivot/axis/thing that holds FCG together (proper name anybody? axis pin?) that pushes the whole trigger to the right. The reason for this is due to the fact that the Tapco G2 has some left/right sliding play to it in .308's, this solves the problem without the need to pay extra to a certain vendor (they do great services, not shit talking here, just don't want to pay extra when I don't need to). This "fix" also has the result of making the axis pin (thats what I'm gonna call it until somebody tells me otherwise) shoot out once its holding device (okay, should know the name of that spring wire thingy too) is depressed. Edited February 2, 2011 by ThirtyAughtSix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Im just afraid of it jamming the gun well when I dont want it to. Let alone ever haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Im just afraid of it jamming the gun well when I dont want it to. Let alone ever hah I have never had this happen and it seems more an easy excuse for folks that are too inept to reassemble their gun correctly. Edited February 1, 2011 by Azrial 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rockina 60 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Throw it away and cut the notch in the safety lever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ohok what do you mean by throw it away and cut a notch? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rockina 60 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Throw the BHO away...lever and spring.. Then cut a notch into your existing safety lever, this will allow the bolt to be locked open using the safety lever, there are several threads on here about this modification as well as pictures. Edited February 1, 2011 by Rockina Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fanaticalbucsfan 15 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 The only problem the factory BHO has ever given me, (besides the fact that is is in a poor spot for those of us with converted Saigas) is when I accidentally pushed it in too far and its was stuck inside the gun. It was a simple fix I just used the tip of my pocket knife and it popped back out and now that I know this can happen, it doesn't. I say leave your BHO in its better than nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Reinstalled mine, no problems to this date. I like having it and will eventually put the BHO's back in my rifles too. I suggest you read some threads about the reinstall process and understand what is needed to be done before you make up your mind. EDIT; I dont ever have the problem that some people mention about it being in the way after doing the conversion. Edited February 1, 2011 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 This is the only mod I can find. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=29971 But that is to install it after converting it etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Can't use it if it's not there. 'nuff said 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Lol you guys are confusing the noob Haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 leave it on. when you go to do youre conversion, you can cut a little groove for the spring to sit. problem solved. the bho is very handy when reloading drums. Like this.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Torqued 8 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I gotta admit, getting that spring in is a royal PITA...It took me forever to get the pin through it, and nearly lost an eye with the spring flying out at me lol. Probably would have helped a great deal if I had a set of those really skinny/long needle nose, rather than a standard set. Regardless, I would keep it in, especially if your hammer has been ground down to make room for it. If I was removing the BHO, I would want an unground hammer I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 This is the only mod I can find. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=29971 But that is to install it after converting it etc. You will also have to remove some material on the new hammer you will be installing, to make room for the BHO to fit along side it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I gotta admit, getting that spring in is a royal PITA...It took me forever to get the pin through it, and nearly lost an eye with the spring flying out at me lol. Probably would have helped a great deal if I had a set of those really skinny/long needle nose, rather than a standard set. Regardless, I would keep it in, especially if your hammer has been ground down to make room for it. If I was removing the BHO, I would want an unground hammer I think. The kite string or dental floss trick works great to position the spring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregom 2 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) I bought all my conversion parts from Dinzag... so reprofiled hammer, retainer plate to replace the spring, trigger group, etc. only thing it didnt include was a modified BHO lever. I had to cut mine with a dremel to get the safety lever back in. But i'm glad I did it... no function problems, works great. I can attest it is a total PITA to reinstall it, it's funny the first time I did it I got it on the second try, but later I had to take everything apart and put it back together again, my second attempt at installing the BHO lever took probably 20 tries and a lot of swearing. But it is very nice to have, although yes it is uncomfortable to shoot if you are right handed. However if you hold it up on your last round fired, that is your last round bolt hold open. Edited February 2, 2011 by gregom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 i have a tromix fcg so its already nodded. And thanks for the pictures fellas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peterabbits 1 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 fortunately for me being a lefty, the BHO never gets in my way. i reinstalled it on both my 7.62 and the 12 that i just converted this weekend. agreed on the dental floss trick - was not that difficult going that route. i actually had initially left it out on my 7.62 during that conversion, but then found out later that the hammer had been profiled for it to be in - and because it wasn't there my hammer was walking on the axis pin. had to hear it apart to put it back in - glad i kept all the original parts! my thought is - it serves a purpose, and sometimes i like to use it more than the notched safety lever - a lot easier to release at times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 leave it on. when you go to do youre conversion, you can cut a little groove for the spring to sit. problem solved. the bho is very handy when reloading drums. Like this.... Yeah! like that! LOL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Or you can buy one of these or if you have a Dremal you can make it. Then you can your BHO lever. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-271/Krebs-Saiga-Ak47-Safety/Detail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have a dremel. how can I make it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Do this at your own risk, I'm not a gunsmith at all. What I did was pull the carrier back and slide the safety up as far as it would go and mark were the charging handle is with a pencil. Then notch it carefully to fit around it. Take your time and go slow. This way if you need a bolt hold open at the range you have it. I love it cause you can push the safety down and shoot. It should look like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Nice mod... Should I notch the BHO internally so the spring doesnt slip? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 hey Ranger, does that replace the internal BHO? Or is this an add on? From looking at it more and reading what you typed it seems to be a replacement for the BHO right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I'm going to take the BHO out when I get a chance. With this mod I don't need it anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrOneEyedBoh 14 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 ohok, one thing that sucks is that my tromix FCG is already modded ( shortened on the one side of the hammer ) I seen Steelin' said to use a washer as a spacer. do you have any idea what size is needed ro replace the BHO? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I'm going to use one that's the same thickness as the BHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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