Russell Clank 0 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Hey everybody. I'm new here, so if it's not allowed to ask, just tell me, but I'm wanting to know about what kind of a Saiga 12 I should pick out for a Turkey Gun... That's right, I'm wanting to hunt turkey with a Saiga 12. Right now, I have a Stoeger 2000 that deals out a larger amount of recoil. It kicks like a mule. I don't like it, so I'll be trading it in soon, and my main plan is to trade it in on a Saiga 12. I currently have a few other Assault Weapon type platforms; some DPMS AR-15s, and a sweet WASR-10. I don't have an Assault-Weapon-Shotgun, so I'm going to pick out the Saiga for that job. "Get it while it's legal." So anyways, I've got around 17-21 turkey that are on my property every once in a while. They're pretty dim because I was able to walk up about 35 feet behind them before they decided to walk away. It wasn't until my dog ran at them that they flew off... But I can get close enough that I'd probably be able to use a Saiga 12. I'm not getting anything but a Saiga is the thing. I do, however, need advice on what barrel length to get. I may be trap shooting/skeet shooting, too, so I don't know what length barrel to get. Should I get a threaded barrel also? For using chokes and the like? Or do I even need a choke? Should I get the biggest 24" Saiga, or a smaller one, or choose between the 22" and the 19" with threaded barrels? I'll probably be adding rails and a foregrip to my Saiga also. Any suggestions there? What can make the best dedicated Turkey gun setup for a Saiga 12? Edited October 28, 2011 by Russell Clank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtail207 23 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 You can pretty much hunt turkey with any 12 ga. shotgun if you use the right ammo. I'd get the longest barrel available. Having a choke is a good idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaniel 7 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 You shoot turkeys in the head. If you shoot them in the body chances are they will run off and you will never find them. This is why "turkey chokes" are tighter than those used for any other purpose....your target is very small. I use my S-12 for Turkeys. I did nothing special to it, other than screw on an extra-full turkey choke and sight it in with 3in shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) For a sure kill with a shotgun, a turkey needs to be hit hard with lots of lead. That said, most dedicated turkey guns are choked down pretty tight to achieve that. You also want some heat behind it so one should use a 3" load minimum. Sure, turkeys have been taken with 2 3/4" but I think more have gotten away because of the load. I use a Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag that is overbored, ported, and choked very tight, with 3 1/2" loads. I've never tried it with my S12. Yes, aim for the head and neck as their feathers can absorb/deflect shot depending on the range. Good luck! Edited October 28, 2011 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
antinwo 57 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 My main turkey gun is a Mossberg 835 too. Great gun for turkeys.......but I mainly use 3" shells. I haven't used my Saiga for turkey hunting yet, but after dove hunting with it I can say without a doubt that you will have to get yourself a choke. The pattern gets real wide after about 25-30 yards without one. You have to have a pretty tight pattern for turkey unless you can call them in really close. I have often thought about getting one of the adjustable poly chokes to put on mine.You will also need to get a smaller capacity mag to be legal. They sell 2 rounders, or you can make your own by cutting down an AGP mag and use a new butt plate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 My main turkey gun is a Mossberg 835 too. Great gun for turkeys.......but I mainly use 3" shells. I haven't used my Saiga for turkey hunting yet, but after dove hunting with it I can say without a doubt that you will have to get yourself a choke. The pattern gets real wide after about 25-30 yards without one. You have to have a pretty tight pattern for turkey unless you can call them in really close. I have often thought about getting one of the adjustable poly chokes to put on mine.You will also need to get a smaller capacity mag to be legal. They sell 2 rounders, or you can make your own by cutting down an AGP mag and use a new butt plate. Does the round limit even apply to turkeys? I didnt think it did, although I dont turkey hunt. As far as the mag you can make a block for your factory 5 instead of cutting down a new mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
antinwo 57 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 My main turkey gun is a Mossberg 835 too. Great gun for turkeys.......but I mainly use 3" shells. I haven't used my Saiga for turkey hunting yet, but after dove hunting with it I can say without a doubt that you will have to get yourself a choke. The pattern gets real wide after about 25-30 yards without one. You have to have a pretty tight pattern for turkey unless you can call them in really close. I have often thought about getting one of the adjustable poly chokes to put on mine.You will also need to get a smaller capacity mag to be legal. They sell 2 rounders, or you can make your own by cutting down an AGP mag and use a new butt plate. Does the round limit even apply to turkeys? I didnt think it did, although I dont turkey hunt. As far as the mag you can make a block for your factory 5 instead of cutting down a new mag. LOl..... I had to go look.. I think you are correct, at least in Ks anyway. I know I had to get one when hunting dove. That Tom will see me and a MD 20 next spring by God. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaniel 7 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Capacity restrictions vary by state. I do use a 2-rounder, but only because there is no need for the length and weight of 5 rounds when hunting turkeys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Welcome to S12.com! I'd definitely get the 24" S12 for turkey, and I'd want to be able to choke it. There are several ways, internal/external, to choke a Saiga, several aftermarket adapters & chokes. If I was building a 24" turkey gun, I'd probably dress it in a K-Var NATO length buttstock, a Hogue pistol grip and a SGM tri-rail, and I'd have the whole gun dipped in a nice camo pattern. Also... Fuck you and your "Assault Weapon this" & "Assault Weapon that", that is Libtard anti-gunner nomenclature you're spouting... Stop! Your obviously well indoctrinated, lets see if we can break you of that. Real 'assault weapons ' are fully automatic, military firearms, and their numbers available for transfer are extremely limited, and over priced, due to Federal legislation. Rant Off. Again... Welcome to S12.com! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JaredC 23 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Welcome to S12.com! I'd definitely get the 24" S12 for turkey, and I'd want to be able to choke it. Can you tell me who sells a 24" S12? I havent bought a Saiga yet, but think I would like a 24", however all Ive been able to find are the 19" barrels. Also can you buy different sized barrels for the S12's? All of the online suppliers Ive seen dont sell S12 barrels at all. Edited October 29, 2011 by JaredC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Can you tell me who sells a 24" S12? I havent bought a Saiga yet, but think I would like a 24", however all Ive been able to find are the 19" barrels. Also can you buy different sized barrels for the S12's? All of the online suppliers Ive seen dont sell S12 barrels at all. Centerfire Systems sells them the last time I checked. They had 19", 22" and 24" in stock. No one regularly sells S12 barrels. The guns come in complete so finding spares is tricky. Currently there is no regular manufacturer of S12 barrels. You might get one custom made but it will be really expensive and not quick change (like an 870). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Welcome to S12.com! I'd definitely get the 24" S12 for turkey, and I'd want to be able to choke it. Can you tell me who sells a 24" S12? I havent bought a Saiga yet, but think I would like a 24", however all Ive been able to find are the 19" barrels. Also can you buy different sized barrels for the S12's? All of the online suppliers Ive seen dont sell S12 barrels at all. They're out there, at least they were, they'll be back... Just gotta keep cruising your LGS/pawn shops and online retailers. No, there are not any spare barrels for the S12s, much less choices in length. Outside of what K-Var and a very few others offer, spare parts for our Saigas are few and far between. Centerfire Systems is, 'Out of Stock - Accepting Backorders', if you really want one, I'd place a backorder. Edited October 29, 2011 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 The older long barrels are all Xfull choked. Not removable, made into the barrel. I don't know about the newer ones. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Factory camo job, 22" fixed full choke that punches over full milk jugs at 40 yds using 2 3/4 shells, probably could get 50yds real easy using 3" mags. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 +1 Scout Joe! Mine just like that is a perfect turkey gun right out of the box. It's longer full choked barrel throws an really tight pattern, and is also a great gun to take to turkey shoots and shoot paper. Throw a 20 rd drum in there and walk up to the line...lol! Bet you will see some people say WTF!? As for the 24" guns now available, the do have threaded barrels and will accept choke adapters, which will take full and extra full turkey chokes, as well as rifled chokes for sabot slugs. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/43443-s-12-winchoke-adapters/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hick 0 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Mine has a 19" barrel and I feel confident with the pattern out to 40 yards. I use a choke adaptor and an extra full. One of these years I may try a special turkey choke. Lots of vendors on here that can set you up for birds. Since this picture was taken it's now got a hogue grip. Sounds like those 22" full choke barrels hold a great pattern. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russell Clank 0 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Also... Fuck you and your "Assault Weapon this" & "Assault Weapon that", that is Libtard anti-gunner nomenclature you're spouting... Stop! Your obviously well indoctrinated, lets see if we can break you of that. Real 'assault weapons ' are fully automatic, military firearms, and their numbers available for transfer are extremely limited, and over priced, due to Federal legislation. Rant Off. Again... Welcome to S12.com! Haha, I only said "Assault Weapons" because this is pretty much my first time signing up at a gun forum. I didn't know if people here were liked US Government interpretation of firearms, or if they were more like me... Trust me, I'm not indoctrinated, not in the slightest. I'm just a FNG. +1 Scout Joe! Mine just like that is a perfect turkey gun right out of the box. It's longer full choked barrel throws an really tight pattern, and is also a great gun to take to turkey shoots and shoot paper. Throw a 20 rd drum in there and walk up to the line...lol! Bet you will see some people say WTF!? As for the 24" guns now available, the do have threaded barrels and will accept choke adapters, which will take full and extra full turkey chokes, as well as rifled chokes for sabot slugs. http://forum.saiga-1...choke-adapters/ From what I've read so far, 24" is my favorite choice. The thing is though, I'm thinking of putting a Polychoke or a Monster Break on the Saiga, just cause. I want a Factory Saiga with the threaded barrel, not an after-market mod job, because I don't really live near anyone who could fix up the barrel for that. Seeing the choices on Saiga-12.com, all I can notice is that the 22" and 19" are the only ones avalible with threaded barrels. I'm guessing I'll have to go with the 22" one. Mine has a 19" barrel and I feel confident with the pattern out to 40 yards. I use a choke adaptor and an extra full. One of these years I may try a special turkey choke. Lots of vendors on here that can set you up for birds. Since this picture was taken it's now got a hogue grip. Sounds like those 22" full choke barrels hold a great pattern. Glad to see that 19" is working out nicely for you! Gives me confidence that I'll be able to pick up a 19" just incase they don't have any 22" avalible at my local gun stores. I'm thinking of getting a similar setup, but probably keeping the Factory buttstock. But again, glad to see the Saiga can take turkey! So as to chokes, should I get a Polychoke? Monster Break? What for turkey at 35-100 yards? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Get a 24" barrel and get a choke adapter or a poly-choke for it as they will effectively extend the length of the barrel. Pattern it with the load you will be using. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Here are a couple that I built for busting clays and i'm sure they would work fine as Gobbler Getters.... 24" IZ-107 w/PolyChoke The top one is the wife's and the bottom is mine. I think they look kind of sexy with a rifle handguard and a WARSAW stock. Here is the wife's after welding up the nueterville holes.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 So as to chokes, should I get a Polychoke? Monster Break? What for turkey at 35-100 yards? That's going to be a stretch, even with my 10 gauge sending 2 oz of #4 shot out of a 3 1/2" nitro mag. Odds are you won't find a 22" fixed full choke gun, since they were imported before RAA. For realistic distances and properly choked a 19" gun would do just fine, just make sure you pattern it with the ammo you're planning on using like Nailbomb said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaniel 7 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 100 yards??? You are very new to hunting, aren't you? Please respect the game and don't try something stupid like that. 50 yards is about the max you can expect...if your gun patterns decently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ogar Lumox 1 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 For chokes try the adapter sold by AK-BUILDER, it screws on to the Saiga and accepts Winchester and Mossberg choke tubes. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30105 the one I have isn't slotted but it will take any extended turkey choke for a Winchester or Mossberg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Mine has a 19" barrel and I feel confident with the pattern out to 40 yards. I use a choke adaptor and an extra full. One of these years I may try a special turkey choke. Lots of vendors on here that can set you up for birds. Since this picture was taken it's now got a hogue grip. Sounds like those 22" full choke barrels hold a great pattern. Just curious what you are using for loads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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