jerry2guns 10 Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) Hi all Now a while back i bought a slightly used 06 production Saiga ,the gunsmith put a bullet guide in and moved the trigger forward ,it shoots like a dream but has a few scratches and what not (which doesn't bother me ) anyway when i rang the guy to buy a Saiga 7.62 he had none in stock,but said i could buy his one which is this 06 model,i did and have had it a few months and now out of the blue he e-mailed and asked if i wanted to do a straight swap for a brandnew saiga 2011 i think ,he seems really keen to get it back ,said it had sentimental value but i mean he has heaps of saigas so why would he want mine back especially since its used . are the new saigas built any different ,like quality wise ,my serial on my 06 rifle is HO61049xx and i read there werent that many of these made in 06 ,its has the dimple ,extra y and the 3rd rivet (whatever that means ),also all parts on the rifle are original from the Factory as we don't have any laws on foreign parts ,although the bayonet lug has been ground down cos we arent allowed those ,apparently a bayonet makes this rifle dangerous . anyway sorry for the novel can anyone help me shed some light ,cheers Edited May 14, 2012 by jerry2guns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 no way in hell would i do a straight trade of a converted saiga for a stock one, i don't care if it's a 2016 model 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Hi all Now a while back i bought a slightly used 06 production Saiga ,the gunsmith put a bullet guide in and moved the trigger forward ,it shoots like a dream but has a few scratches and what not (which doesn't bother me ) anyway when i rang the guy to buy a Saiga 7.62 he had none in stock,but said i could buy his one which is this 06 model,i did and have had it a few months and now out of the blue he e-mailed and asked if i wanted to do a straight swap for a brandnew saiga 2011 i think ,he seems really keen to get it back ,said it had sentimental value but i mean he has heaps of saigas so why would he want mine back especially since its used . are the new saigas built any different ,like quality wise ,my serial on my 06 rifle is HO61049xx and i read there were'nt that many of these made in 06 ,its has the dimple ,extra y and the 3rd rivet (whatever that means ) anyway sorry for the novel can anyone help me shed some light ,cheers Keep it... Just for the extra Y stamp.The Y stamp is where the third pin for a SF/FA military rifle would've been installed, kind'a rare. Edited May 14, 2012 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Hey fellas ,the new saiga is converted but not sure about bullet guide ,and have seen a pic of the new one he wants to trade and it is missing a few minor details ,like just above the mag catch post is an indentation of some kind and the new does not , just feel like i may be getting screwed out of the better rifle ,even though mine is 8 years old , heres a pic of my beasty ,sorry i couldnt blur part of the serial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) OK, check it out... Desirable and uncommon particulars vs ho-hum current imports. DOM 06', earlier import, fewer imported. Dimple, always desirable as it strengthens the receiver. Some say it stabilizes the mag, but that is debatable. Extra Y stamp above mag release, as I stated before the reason for it's rarity and desirability. . KEEP IT! Edited May 14, 2012 by ChileRelleno 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Edited May 14, 2012 by jerry2guns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) just a couple of pics of my rifle ,and thanks a bunch for your help ,just needed a push ,still a lttle green on ak's and they arent very well regarded in my country ,as most guys here are old school deer hunters and club shooters who think these are just brass chucking (steel case) pieces of shit ,anyway each to their own huh Edited May 14, 2012 by jerry2guns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Third Rivet. From what I understand, this is on all 100 series rifle front trunnions. It is the rivet protruding from the left side of the receiver just back of the chamber, it initiates the locking/unlocking of the bolt. IIRC, before the 100 series there were different trunnions on different rifles? Somebody correct this if it is wrong. Does anybody know if this was a uncommon feature on some early Saigas? Don't know why it might have been? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm not sure to answer your questions Chille but i agree with you, i'd keep the '06 model with that 3rd Y. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HarvKY 72 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Yep, the guy screwed up and/or is trying to screw you KEEP the 06 with dimpled 3rd Y I have a NIB '06 dimpled with 3rd Y stored away and enjoy just watching the value go up & up Harv Edited May 14, 2012 by HarvKY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Keep it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brandon402 86 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Id keep the 06, that 3rd Y is indicative of coolness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy21 18 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 sounds like theres a reason he wants it. id keep it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yes i agree jimmy ,also after some research the serial number falls right in the middle of the supposed Venezuela overrun , it may be collectable but ill still be shooting is as normal ,hope the guy dont get to pissy when he gets my e-mail telling him i don't want to give the gun back ,but hey i paid $1400 for it NZD of course so it will be staying with me 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yes i agree jimmy ,also after some research the serial number falls right in the middle of the supposed Venezuela overrun , it may be collectable but ill still be shooting is as normal ,hope the guy dont get to pissy when he gets my e-mail telling him i don't want to give the gun back ,but hey i paid $1400 for it NZD of course so it will be staying with me It may be semi collectible but don't feel guilty about shooting it normally. Just don't drive over it or let it rust;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy21 18 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 don't worry about shooting it, just keep it clean afterwards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 don't worry about shooting it, just keep it clean afterwards Polly want a cracker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Ok will do ,the guy just sent me an e-mail saying he not happy that im keeping the gun ,says he cut me deals in the past ,which is bs ,all the more reason to keep it, although on the other end im sure the factory converted late model saigas are sweet all the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 He might spark your intrest if he sweetens the deal. say, Two Saigas? Even if one were not converted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 hi tatonic yeah that would be all good but would never happen ,only problem is there is zero collect-ability for any kind of AK in my country ,unless its a full auto old school real deal AK 1947 ,in which case it would be a cold day in hell before i could get my hands on one as i dont and cannot hold a C-Class licence due to old convictions for assault and drunken disorderly ,the good ol days eh, now despite all the guys saying i should keep the 06 model ,i have however decided to make the trade ,when i bought the 06 off him the gas tube was full of pitting so i assumed he never cleaned it ,also the gas piston has a few small knicks out of it ,and the overall finish (paint) is quite rough ,as the original owner had used enamel black spray paint to cover up any scratches on the reciever . the new rifle that i will receive has a factory trigger forward ,Factory bullet guide (feed ramp)to take all mags and is all factory russian parts ,not touched by anyone after it leaves the factory in Russia ,and all new in box . Sorry i didnt heed the advice i was given but i had to weigh up the options . i will post a pic of the latest rifle once it arrives. dont hate me guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 It's yours to do what you want with, but I would def make it cost him for the tradeback. I mean, that just sounds way too smelly. Would love to know the REAL reason why he wants it back so badly, but that is something that we will never know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehun 20 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 My thoughts exactly...I mean what gun dealer in his right mind would want an older weapon...there is def something that is fishy and used guilt trip to get you to do the trade. I bet there is something severely wrong with that rifle that he is not telling you or there is something about yours that he wants really bad...either way...you did a stupid trade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 My thoughts exactly...I mean what gun dealer in his right mind would want an older weapon...there is def something that is fishy and used guilt trip to get you to do the trade. I bet there is something severely wrong with that rifle that he is not telling you or there is something about yours that he wants really bad...either way...you did a stupid trade It is inappropriate for you to accuse the OP of making a "stupid trade', sir. What he does is his business and it is up to him to determine if he wants to trade or not. Youn owe jerry2guns an apology. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Maybe where you are "Businessmen" are all always Fair and Honest, and Never take advantage of a persons lack of knowledge or inexperience. I would have been very suspicious of his motives. Really, Why would he make such a stink and pull the old " I've given you deals..B.S." for no reason? Sentimental value? How long have you had the rifle? If it was 1 week, from a private seller, I could see "Sellers remorse" but a dealer??? I truley hope that You got a good and honest deal. If you are happy with the deal then our opinions are after all, just like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink. Shoot well and be happy, and then the details won't even matter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 are you trading your 06 home converted rifle for a 2011 factory pistol grip gun or one that is in import configuration like we get here in the us? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 (edited) My thoughts exactly...I mean what gun dealer in his right mind would want an older weapon...there is def something that is fishy and used guilt trip to get you to do the trade. I bet there is something severely wrong with that rifle that he is not telling you or there is something about yours that he wants really bad...either way...you did a stupid trade It is inappropriate for you to accuse the OP of making a "stupid trade', sir. What he does is his business and it is up to him to determine if he wants to trade or not. Youn owe jerry2guns an apology. Nobody is accusing anybody, the guy asked for our opinions and then decided against the majority. I agree it was a stupid trade (my opinion) based off the info i've read (and partially assuming its a neutered Saiga in trade) but i also agree the OP is completely free to do what he wants. Edited May 15, 2012 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehun 20 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 My thoughts exactly...I mean what gun dealer in his right mind would want an older weapon...there is def something that is fishy and used guilt trip to get you to do the trade. I bet there is something severely wrong with that rifle that he is not telling you or there is something about yours that he wants really bad...either way...you did a stupid trade It is inappropriate for you to accuse the OP of making a "stupid trade', sir. What he does is his business and it is up to him to determine if he wants to trade or not. Youn owe jerry2guns an apology. Thanks Dad I'll get your permission next time, last time I checked I live in the United States of America..freedom of speech...he asked our opinion..and give him my honest view on this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Your opinion is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. However, that is no reason to be disrespectful to a fellow forum member. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Hey there russian hammer ,yes the 06 rifle was sporter style but had the trigger moved forward and had a bullet guide installed by a gunsmith in training ,he did a kinda average job and covered up scratches with spray paint, ,however the bullet guide install was a good one. the new rifle has come from the factory with trigger forward but he is installing another guide for me , it will come NIB with all the bits ,which to be honest im pretty happy with .ill put up some pics of it when it arrives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry2guns 10 Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Hey all ,thank you canoecanoe i appreciate your watching my back however im not easily offended and until my new rifle arrives thehun maybe correct , if we had the collect ability of AK's in NZ i would have kept it for sure(even if it was the first AK ever made it wouldnt mean a damn here .people just dont like them ,but the 06 rifle also had some pitting in the gas tube and a few knicks out of the gas piston head so to get a brand spanker makes me happy . I have taken and appreciated all the advice i have been given and made my decision so ill have to live with it,(how ever if he gives me a dud rifle in return or screws me round ill be taking a 3 hr road trip to pay him a visit ) friendly of course. if anyone is interested ill get some pics up when the gun arrives. cheers guys and thank again mr Canocanoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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