layback1962 16 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Topic states it anyone tried to do a HK style cocking on a Saiga 12 gas tube? Anyone attempted this yet? Any input on this subject welcomed. thanks layback Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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corbin 621 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I remember seeing that when it came out. It's not compatable with the Saiga 12s though. I'd almost envision a thicker operating rod/piston that's drilled and tapped for a handle, and a slot milled into the side of the gas tube. Maybe you could make some kind of sleeve that could go over the op rod? Not sure if that would reciprocate with it or not though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Molot has something close installed on a Vepr 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Molot has something close installed on a Vepr 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3bmm8XNiw I really like this for the simplicty of the design, but I'd worry about that exposed spring collecting crud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 but I'd worry about that exposed spring collecting crud. judging by the AR stock, they made that feature for the US civilian market, and not for any military application. so "crud" getting in there wouldn't be a issue, as it's not going be go through any battlefield condition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 That is their newest competition model. It has a JT style mag release with a really hokey return spring, the very cool recoil system, and some other nifty doo-dads. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoot2thrillu 10 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 speaking about the first video. i dont understand how that is easier/better or faster than what the gun already has. you still got to charge the back where it originally was right or am i wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 If your right handed it means you don't have to reach under the gun to charge after Swyping mags, or tilt the weapon (which ever is your preferred method). Also, it allows you to remove the right side factory charging handle so there are no external moving parts, which is kinda nice if you should find yourself shooting weak handed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sapper1371usmc 107 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 It also allows you to cycle the action while keeping the gun on safe when the right side charging handle is removed. It's also nice that the charging handle is non reciprocating on the RCS. It also doesnt affect the use of a left side scope mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 A similar idea was posted here: http://forum.saiga-1...ide#entry805861 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwCn7gEsDA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I like the lynch. For rifles, there is a replacement has tube with a charger called the RCS. Ratchet Charging System. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
obiwanbonjovi 337 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 It also allows you to cycle the action while keeping the gun on safe when the right side charging handle is removed. Only if the hammer is already cocked, if not the carrier cannot push the hammer down past the trigger with the safety on. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sapper1371usmc 107 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 It also allows you to cycle the action while keeping the gun on safe when the right side charging handle is removed. Only if the hammer is already cocked, if not the carrier cannot push the hammer down past the trigger with the safety on. Thats why my hammer is always locked, cocked, and ready to rock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eck-Tek 4 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) I've done one like that. I used a Tom cole heavy duty op rod. Drilled and tapped it and used a peice of a old socket to go around the bolt between the charging handle and the op rod to strengthen it. Works great. But you have to use a front pistol grip to keep your hand out of the way. ETA typo Edited October 30, 2012 by Eck-Tek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Pics please. I've thought of it, but didn't like the idea for the hand safety reason. My last thought was a verticle toggle attatched to the piston with a slot on top of the tube. Maybe have a spring loaded handle that wants to lay forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eck-Tek 4 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Is there a way I can upload pics from a iPhone ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
S12KS-K 40 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Topic states it anyone tried to do a HK style cocking on a Saiga 12 gas tube? Anyone attempted this yet? Any input on this subject welcomed. thanks layback It would be pretty stupid, because an MP-5 is roller delayed blowback. The tube on the MP-5 is only a charging tube, not a gas tube. Opening up the gas tube on an AK variant would cause carbon to blow everywhere.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 It would be pretty stupid, because an MP-5 is roller delayed blowback. The tube on the MP-5 is only a charging tube, not a gas tube. Opening up the gas tube on an AK variant would cause carbon to blow everywhere.. That's what I thought too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 The S12 is a short stroke gas system though. The puck and vent block most of that gas going down the tube. It might not be that big a deal. Lets put a cut on yours to find out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eck-Tek 4 Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 In my opinion it's not stupid... The puck does block all the gas, at least most of it. I've never felt any at all. And it works very fast having the charging handle just above your left hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 The RCS is really cool I just wished it had a notch to lock the bolt back so you could preform mp5 style reloads where you lock the bolt open change mags then release the mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ok, here's my professional mech eng opinion, if anyone wants it. All that thing is on an hk is a charging handle, as the above have noted. The Saiga uses that tube to run the piston and the elongated charging rod, as most know. This presents a couple problems, a minor one being carbon flying everywhere, which it will do. The bigger problem is how to make the handle pull the op rod, but not make the op-rod pull the handle. Yes, when firing, that handle needs to NOT reciprocate, as you will eventually lose the tips of your left fingers when your grip is off one day. Utter violation of safe gun design. So, problem is, how you you make one grab the other, but not the other way around? Best example is an AR style handle that pulls the bolt, but the bolt does not pull it. So, IF one were to make a new tube, with another channel next to it for an AR style charging handle to ride it in, but put the grip at the front, not rear of the handle, and IF the charger handle blocked the slit in the gas tube, and IF the new op rod had a boss for the charger to grab, it could work. However, the saiga gas tube is extruded then crimped, I believe. This would not work for this without extra machine work, welding, and a whole new op rod. It would cost more than the gun would cost for such a mod, providing one could find a shop to attempt it. A private consumer doing this would only want to do it if they didn't know how much is involved, in my opinion. My advice, learn to do the Spetnaz mag change, and keep it like it was designed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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