Is This For Real???

[Big John! 2,062]

Outta time tonight to really research. Hoping that when I check in tomorrow night, you guys will have found this to be BS. PLEASE tell me this is BS.

 

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21088-obama-signs-executive-decree-allowing-himself-to-shut-down-all-u-s-communications/

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

the kool-aid is strong on this one, you can take any EO by any president and make it sound sinister by the other side.

 

personal I like this one myself, nothing like throwing in tin foil in with the mix of the Kool-Aid

 

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21107-three-us-presidents-meeting-with-alien-world-ruler-in-africa/

 

on a side note, I'd like to play alien encounter and probe Kristin

Edited July 12, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins

[YOT 3,743]

I doubt it, but I'm not researching it. Any kind of article like that without an EO number I consider propaganda.

[Remek 771]

Here you go.

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-

 

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

 

For Immediate Release July 06, 2012

Executive Order -- Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions

 

EXECUTIVE ORDER

 

- - - - - - -

 

ASSIGNMENT OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND

EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS COMMUNICATIONS FUNCTIONS

 

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

 

Section 1. Policy. The Federal Government must have the ability to communicate at all times and under all circumstances to carry out its most critical and time sensitive missions. Survivable, resilient, enduring, and effective communications, both domestic and international, are essential to enable the executive branch to communicate within itself and with: the legislative and judicial branches; State, local, territorial, and tribal governments; private sector entities; and the public, allies, and other nations. Such communications must be possible under all circumstances to ensure national security, effectively manage emergencies, and improve national resilience. The views of all levels of government, the private and nonprofit sectors, and the public must inform the development of national security and emergency preparedness (NS/EP) communications policies, programs, and capabilities.

 

Sec. 2. Executive Office Responsibilities.

 

Sec. 2.1. Policy coordination, guidance, dispute resolution, and periodic in-progress reviews for the functions described and assigned herein shall be provided through the interagency process established in Presidential Policy Directive-1 of February 13, 2009 (Organization of the National Security Council System) (PPD-1).

 

Sec. 2.2. The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) shall: (a) issue an annual memorandum to the NS/EP Communications Executive Committee (established in section 3 of this order) highlighting national priorities for Executive Committee analyses, studies, research, and development regarding NS/EP communications;

 

( advise the President on the prioritization of radio spectrum and wired communications that support NS/EP functions; and

 

© have access to all appropriate information related to the test, exercise, evaluation, and readiness of the capabilities of all existing and planned NS/EP communications systems, networks, and facilities to meet all executive branch NS/EP requirements.

 

Sec. 2.3. The Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and the Director of OSTP shall make recommendations to the President, informed by the interagency policy process established in PPD-1, with respect to the exercise of authorities assigned to the President under section 706 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 606). The Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and the Director of OSTP shall also jointly monitor the exercise of these authorities, in the event of any delegation, through the process established in PPD-1 or as the President otherwise may direct.

 

Sec. 3. The NS/EP Communications Executive Committee.

 

Sec. 3.1. There is established an NS/EP Communications Executive Committee (Executive Committee) to serve as a forum to address NS/EP communications matters.

 

Sec. 3.2. The Executive Committee shall be composed of Assistant Secretary-level or equivalent representatives designated by the heads of the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Commerce, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), the General Services Administration, and the Federal Communications Commission, as well as such additional agencies as the Executive Committee may designate. The designees of the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall serve as Co-Chairs of the Executive Committee.

 

Sec. 3.3. The responsibilities of the Executive Committee shall be to: (a) advise and make policy recommendations to the President, through the PPD-1 process, on enhancing the survivability, resilience, and future architecture of NS/EP communications, including what should constitute NS/EP communications requirements;

 

( develop a long-term strategic vision for NS/EP communications and propose funding requirements and plans to the President and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), through the PPD-1 process, for NS/EP communications initiatives that benefit multiple agencies or other Federal entities;

 

© coordinate the planning for, and provision of, NS/EP communications for the Federal Government under all hazards;

 

(d) promote the incorporation of the optimal combination of hardness, redundancy, mobility, connectivity, interoperability, restorability, and security to obtain, to the maximum extent practicable, the survivability of NS/EP communications under all circumstances;

 

(e) recommend to the President, through the PPD-1 process, the regimes to test, exercise, and evaluate the capabilities of existing and planned communications systems, networks, or facilities to meet all executive branch NS/EP communications requirements, including any recommended remedial actions;

 

(f) provide quarterly updates to the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and the Director of OSTP, through the Co-Chairs, on the status of Executive Committee activities and develop an annual NS/EP communications strategic agenda utilizing the PPD-1 process;

 

(g) enable industry input with respect to the responsibilities established in this section; and

 

(h) develop, approve, and maintain a charter for the Executive Committee.

 

Sec. 4. Executive Committee Joint Program Office.

 

Sec. 4.1. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish an Executive Committee Joint Program Office (JPO) to provide full-time, expert, and administrative support for the Executive Committee's performance of its responsibilities under section 3.3 of this order. Staff of the JPO shall include detailees, as needed and appropriate, from agencies represented on the Executive Committee. The Department of Homeland Security shall provide resources to support the JPO. The JPO shall be responsive to the guidance of the Executive Committee.

 

Sec. 4.2. The responsibilities of the JPO shall include: coordination of programs that support NS/EP missions, priorities, goals, and policy; and, when directed by the Executive Committee, the convening of governmental and nongovernmental groups (consistent with the Federal Advisory Committees Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. App.)), coordination of activities, and development of policies for senior official review and approval.

 

Sec. 5. Specific Department and Agency Responsibilities.

 

Sec. 5.1. The Secretary of Defense shall: (a) oversee the development, testing, implementation, and sustainment of NS/EP communications that are directly responsive to the national security needs of the President, Vice President, and senior national leadership, including: communications with or among the President, Vice President, White House staff, heads of state and government, and Nuclear Command and Control leadership; Continuity of Government communications; and communications among the executive, judicial, and legislative branches to support Enduring Constitutional Government;

 

( incorporate, integrate, and ensure interoperability and the optimal combination of hardness, redundancy, mobility, connectivity, interoperability, restorability, and security to obtain, to the maximum extent practicable, the survivability of NS/EP communications defined in section 5.1(a) of this order under all circumstances, including conditions of crisis or emergency;

 

© provide to the Executive Committee the technical support necessary to develop and maintain plans adequate to provide for the security and protection of NS/EP communications; and

 

(d) provide, operate, and maintain communication services and facilities adequate to execute responsibilities consistent with Executive Order 12333 of December 4, 1981, as amended.

 

Sec. 5.2. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall: (a) oversee the development, testing, implementation, and sustainment of NS/EP communications, including: communications that support Continuity of Government; Federal, State, local, territorial, and tribal emergency preparedness and response communications; non-military executive branch communications systems; critical infrastructure protection networks; and non-military communications networks, particularly with respect to prioritization and restoration;

 

( incorporate, integrate, and ensure interoperability and the necessary combination of hardness, redundancy, mobility, connectivity, interoperability, restorability, and security to obtain, to the maximum extent practicable, the survivability of NS/EP communications defined in section 5.2(a) of this order under all circumstances, including conditions of crisis or emergency;

 

© provide to the Executive Committee the technical support necessary to develop and maintain plans adequate to provide for the security and protection of NS/EP communications;

 

(d) receive, integrate, and disseminate NS/EP communications information to the Federal Government and State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as appropriate, to establish situational awareness, priority setting recommendations, and a common operating picture for NS/EP communications information;

 

(e) satisfy priority communications requirements through the use of commercial, Government, and privately owned communications resources, when appropriate;

 

(f) maintain a joint industry-Government center that is capable of assisting in the initiation, coordination, restoration, and reconstitution of NS/EP communications services or facilities under all conditions of emerging threats, crisis, or emergency;

 

(g) serve as the Federal lead for the prioritized restoration of communications infrastructure and coordinate the prioritization and restoration of communications, including resolution of any conflicts in or among priorities, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense when activities referenced in section 5.1(a) of this order are impacted, consistent with the National Response Framework. If conflicts in or among priorities cannot be resolved between the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security, they shall be referred for resolution in accordance with section 2.1 of this order; and

 

(h) within 60 days of the date of this order, in consultation with the Executive Committee where appropriate, develop and submit to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, a detailed plan that describes the Department of Homeland

 

Security's organization and management structure for its NS/EP communications functions, including the Government Emergency Telecommunications Service, Wireless Priority Service, Telecommunications Service Priority program, Next Generation Network Priority program, the Executive Committee JPO, and relevant supporting entities.

 

Sec. 5.3. The Secretary of Commerce shall: (a) provide advice and guidance to the Executive Committee on the use of technical standards and metrics to support execution of NS/EP communications;

 

( identify for the Executive Committee requirements for additional technical standards and metrics to enhance NS/EP communications;

 

© engage with relevant standards development organizations to develop appropriate technical standards and metrics to enhance NS/EP communications;

 

(d) develop plans and procedures concerning radio spectrum allocations, assignments, and priorities for use by agencies and executive offices;

 

(e) develop, maintain, and publish policies, plans, and procedures for the management and use of radio frequency assignments, including the authority to amend, modify, or revoke such assignments, in those parts of the electromagnetic spectrum assigned to the Federal Government; and

 

(f) administer a system of radio spectrum priorities for those spectrum-dependent telecommunications resources belonging to and operated by the Federal Government and certify or approve such radio spectrum priorities, including the resolution of conflicts in or among such radio spectrum priorities during a crisis or emergency.

 

Sec. 5.4. The Administrator of General Services shall provide and maintain a common Federal acquisition approach that allows for the efficient centralized purchasing of equipment and services that meet NS/EP communications requirements. Nothing in this section shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect the procurement authorities granted by law to an agency or the head thereof.

 

Sec. 5.5. With respect to the Intelligence Community, the DNI, after consultation with the heads of affected agencies, may issue such policy directives and guidance as the DNI deems necessary to implement this order. Procedures or other guidance issued by the heads of elements of the Intelligence Community shall be in accordance with such policy directives or guidelines issued by the DNI.

 

Sec. 5.6. The Federal Communications Commission performs such functions as are required by law, including: (a) with respect to all entities licensed or regulated by the Federal Communications Commission: the extension, discontinuance, or reduction of common carrier facilities or services; the control of common carrier rates, charges, practices, and classifications; the construction, authorization, activation, deactivation, or closing of radio stations, services, and facilities; the assignment of radio frequencies to Federal Communications Commission licensees; the investigation of violations of pertinent law; and the assessment of communications service provider emergency needs and resources; and

 

( supporting the continuous operation and restoration of critical communications systems and services by assisting the Secretary of Homeland Security with infrastructure damage assessment and restoration, and by providing the Secretary of Homeland Security with information collected by the Federal Communications Commission on communications infrastructure, service outages, and restoration, as appropriate.

 

Sec. 6. General Agency Responsibilities. All agencies, to the extent consistent with law, shall: (a) determine the scope of their NS/EP communications requirements, and provide information regarding such requirements to the Executive Committee;

 

( prepare policies, plans, and procedures concerning communications facilities, services, or equipment under their management or operational control to maximize their capability to respond to the NS/EP needs of the Federal Government;

 

© propose initiatives, where possible, that may benefit multiple agencies or other Federal entities;

 

(d) administer programs that support broad NS/EP communications goals and policies;

 

(e) submit reports annually, or as otherwise requested, to the Executive Committee, regarding agency NS/EP communications activities;

 

(f) devise internal acquisition strategies in support of the centralized acquisition approach provided by the General Services Administration pursuant to section 5.4 of this order; and

 

(g) provide the Secretary of Homeland Security with timely reporting on NS/EP communications status to inform the common operating picture required under 6 U.S.C. 321(d).

 

Sec. 7. General Provisions. (a) For the purposes of this order, the word "agency" shall have the meaning set forth in section 6.1( of Executive Order 13526 of December 29, 2009.

 

( Executive Order 12472 of April 3, 1984, as amended, is hereby revoked.

 

© Executive Order 12382 of September 13, 1982, as amended, is further amended by striking the following language from section 2(e): "in his capacity as Executive Agent for the National Communications System".

 

(d) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

 

(i) the authority granted by law to an agency, or the head thereof; or

 

(ii) the functions of the Director of the OMB relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

 

(e) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

 

(f) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

[haugpatr 972]

The question to ask is why wouldn't this be real based on prior EO's?

[Tekilla 13]

Outta time tonight to really research. Hoping that when I check in tomorrow night, you guys will have found this to be BS. PLEASE tell me this is BS.

 

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21088-obama-signs-executive-decree-allowing-himself-to-shut-down-all-u-s-communications/

This article points to an EO from Ronald Reagan

 

Remek found an updated version, but it looks like there have been several versions in between.

Edited July 12, 2013 by Tekilla

[pjj342 632]

The question to ask is why wouldn't this be real based on prior EO's?

Crap like this http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21107-three-us-presidents-meeting-with-alien-world-ruler-in-africa/ courtesy of mr hopkins, makes the whole website seem a bit bogus to me. Im not sure how anyone can believe a word it says after putting out nonsense.

 

However, Remek pulled some proof from the pudding.

5.2 (e) satisfy priority communications requirements through the use of commercial, Government, and privately owned communications resources, when appropriate;

5.3 (e) develop, maintain, and publish policies, plans, and procedures for the management and use of radio frequency assignments, including the authority to amend, modify, or revoke such assignments, in those parts of the electromagnetic spectrum assigned to the Federal Government; and

(f) administer a system of radio spectrum priorities for those spectrum-dependent telecommunications resources belonging to and operated by the Federal Government and certify or approve such radio spectrum priorities, including the resolution of conflicts in or among such radio spectrum priorities during a crisis or emergency

Sec. 5.6. The Federal Communications Commission performs such functions as are required by law, including: (a) with respect to all entities licensed or regulated by the Federal Communications Commission: the extension, discontinuance, or reduction of common carrier facilities or services; the control of common carrier rates, charges, practices, and classifications; the construction, authorization, activation, deactivation, or closing of radio stations, services, and facilities; the assignment of radio frequencies to Federal Communications Commission licensees; the investigation of violations of pertinent law; and the assessment of communications service provider emergency needs and resources;

(d) administer programs that support broad NS/EP communications goals and policies;

 

I get most of the rest, but what does this mean???(f) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

[Tekilla 13]

 

The question to ask is why wouldn't this be real based on prior EO's?

 

I get most of the rest, but what does this mean???(f) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Sounds to me that it is saying we the people and the companies affected by this don't have any recourse against the government (they arent breaking any laws and are also not financially responsible) due to this order. So if they take over communications get over it we can't do anything about it.

 

That is just MHO, I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one TV.

[montec 164]

I was directed it from RT and posted it here as well

 

http://www.iwastaken.com/forum/war-terror/obama-gives-himself-control-all-communication-systems-3248.html

[Remek 771]

 

 

The question to ask is why wouldn't this be real based on prior EO's?

I get most of the rest, but what does this mean???(f) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Sounds to me that it is saying we the people and the companies affected by this don't have any recourse against the government (they arent breaking any laws and are also not financially responsible) due to this order. So if they take over communications get over it we can't do anything about it.

That is just MHO, I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one TV.

That's exactly what it means. However, being an administrative order, the stated subsection 7(D)(f) is questionable. The government can decide to hold themselves not responsible for damages, but the administrative has no teeth here because it is self serving and can lead to abuse. What it really does, under **normal** US adjudication practice, is add another layer of argument for the party bringing suit or proving illegal practices. Edited July 12, 2013 by Remek

[Big John! 2,062]

You mufucka's ain't gonna be making jokes about this shit when re-nig turns off the WWW and you can't see mine and Sunnybean's avatar anymore.

 

I'm thoroghly disgusted with this government. Listened to talk radio all day. Fired up now, haha....

Edited July 13, 2013 by Big John!

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Sometimes I wonder what is up with this tin-foil hat crap people throw out when denial is threatened.

By the same token I dont understand why a site would throw up such an obvious fantasy as aliens when everything else is on the up and up. Humor? IDFK.

 

Doesn't matter what EO is written today, what matters is that far too much power resides in far too few hands with far too many thugs ready to do their "duty" and the EOs that COULD be written in a matter of hours.

[Big John! 2,062]

Sometimes I wonder what is up with this tin-foil hat crap people throw out when denial is threatened.

By the same token I dont understand why a site would throw up such an obvious fantasy as aliens when everything else is on the up and up. Humor? IDFK.

 

Doesn't matter what EO is written today, what matters is that far too much power resides in far too few hands with far too many thugs ready to do their "duty" and the EOs that COULD be written in a matter of hours.

Or better yet, EO's that are already written just waiting to be signed in minutes.

[gunman1 1,753]

And that is why "We The People" should also have multiple methods of communication. If SHTF the gobmit won't be able to shut down the radio waves forever, we ALL should have some form of alternate radio communication, www is too easy to shut off, same thing with the digital phone and TV system.

[jerry52 893]

Think about it for a sec. If this happened He could not fund raise.

Follow the Money.

[Big John! 2,062]

Think about it for a sec. If this happened He could not fund raise.

Follow the Money.

No fund raising necessary. His plans are already in place. We just get to wait to see what exactly they are.

 

I heard a guy in the radio yesterday saying that "he" has brought the ghetto to the whitehouse. So true!

 

Him and that fuckface Holder sending busloads of people to Florida. Then having a 40 car police escort for these scumbags. All to get the negro's all fired up, just makes me sick.

[Remek 771]

I am worried about that too, John. They are definitely trying to set up a situation so they can take our rights away, by causing the black p...s to use their guns, which they are so well-known for carrying. This is a no win situation, unless the black p...s don't actually start shooting, I am afraid we are screwed.

[TacSat 90]

Not to add fuel to the fire but just connecting the dots. About a year or so ago Homeland security was looking for 200 people all over the US to do my old MOS 29v. In short communications form LF to SHF. for those not fimilar. land based communication to subs all the way to satellite communications this includes uhf,vhf and hf. Never applied for the job just because did not want to be part of the machine that is coming. it payed good to 75K.

[Big John! 2,062]

I am worried about that too, John. They are definitely trying to set up a situation so they can take our rights away, by causing the black p...s to use their guns, which they are so well-known for carrying. This is a no win situation, unless the black p...s don't actually start shooting, I am afraid we are screwed.

It's surely either to get martial law, or guns, or both. I am forever suspect of anything that has Holder's or Re-nig's signature on it.

The media call Zimmerman a "white hispanic". What... the... fuck...?

I honestly wish they would find him not guilty and let the chips fall where they may at this point. Truly fucking sick of negro's saying do what we want or we burn things down or as the great black panther leader Shabazz said kill whitey's. Fuck them. Bring your negro ass into my neighborhood to hurt ANYONE and laws be damned... You'd better be wearing something that will stop a green tip. I honestly feel sorry for the good black people of this country. Being lumped in with this kind of garbage just because of color would truly suck.

Last weekend, a 61 year old black guy shot and killed a whacked out white guy in a similar type self defense thing. You'll never see that reported.

Chicago had 70 shootings over the 4th of July weekend alone and is preparing to have the national guard in to help out with what they described as a war zone. No news there.

 

I gotta stop rambling or I'll be here all night

[jerry52 893]

Hey John! I have been meaning to ask you, but I wanted to do it out of respect. and I do respect you.

That's not an ex wife in your avitar is it?

[iron808 1]

IF he did authorize that EO the White House isn't owning up to it yet, the last one on the WH website was published 7/1/13

Executive Order -- Combating Wildlife Trafficking

I know it said on the website he authorized it on 7/6/13 surely someone at least over on Fox News would have seen this by now, that was a week ago.

[Big John! 2,062]

Hey John! I have been meaning to ask you, but I wanted to do it out of respect. and I do respect you.

That's not an ex wife in your avitar is it?

What would make you assume 'ex'?

[jerry52 893]

Well your the man John Your the Man ha ha ha

[Big John! 2,062]

Well your the man John Your the Man ha ha ha

Nah... While my wife certainly isn't hard on the eye's. I'm afraid I don't have what it takes to score on that level anymore.

 

What's more fucked up than that is that I found that GIF one day just fucking around. Never seen it again. Done reverse searches to find the pics. Can't find em. So... I'm such a douche that I can't even score a pic of her let alone nail her.

[jerry52 893]

 

Well your the man John Your the Man ha ha ha

Nah... While my wife certainly isn't hard on the eye's. I'm afraid I don't have what it takes to score on that level anymore.

 

What's more fucked up than that is that I found that GIF one day just fucking around. Never seen it again. Done reverse searches to find the pics. Can't find em. So... I'm such a douche that I can't even score a pic of her let alone nail her.

 

You should have said Yup that's Her. ha ha

[Dogster 577]

Executive Order 10995 allowing for the control of communications was originally signed by JFK in Feb, 1962.

[mancat 2,368]

The story is bogus/hype.

 

The EO referenced by the linked article in the OP is this:

 

https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12472.htm

 

It was originally drafted in April 1984.

[Bayoupiper 738]

And that is why "We The People" should also have multiple methods of communication. If SHTF the gobmit won't be able to shut down the radio waves forever, we ALL should have some form of alternate radio communication, www is too easy to shut off, same thing with the digital phone and TV system.

 

 

 

I've been hoarding "string and soup cans."