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Your 'smith doesn't sound very confident in his ability to permanently attach things. I think he is trying to find a subtle way to tell you it is way over his head and he doesn't want to do it.

Here is what Gun Fun is referring to -- the OD threads were cut off this barrel.  The barrel was then internally threaded for chokes and a comp slips on the OD of the barrel.  If you have a short barr

if you perm a brake, I'd choose one that has a big enought ID to put in a choke and get the barrel threaded internally.

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If you're asking about which chokes to use .....  most 3 gun guys I know use IC choke for general use.  Cylinder for stages with mainly close targets.   IM for stages which require more precision.   Rifled slugs will run through all. 

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Good point. I think he was asking about HD though and 3 gun is run with birdshot rather than buck. Federal #4  Buck  through a full choke will pretty much stay on a CD at under 40 feet. That's a pretty good level of control if you have neighbors or other people in your houlse. The pattern I get from OOB is always more erratic. They might all be in a clump, or they might spread out with 3 close together and the rest in a 9"  ragged line. I like to be able to predict where my pellets will go when I pull the trigger more than that. #1 Buck is also a good choice whether cylinder bore or choked.

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Carlsons Choke Tubes has always performed good work for me at a fair price with quick turn around time for internal chokes. 2 S12's with Tru chokes and a 870 with Remington. I've always pulled the barrel and sent it alone, I'm not sure if that's a requirement but it's noteworthy for anyone looking to have a Saiga 12 internally threaded.

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Could the length be a rifle guy in a shotty world?

 

Ok so why not a weld on shell that has internal threads tapped in it?

 

(Please steal my idea)

 

The outer cage would come with an appropriate pilot for the barrel you are using. Cut your barrel, slip on cage and weld it on. Unscrew pilot and install any variety of chokes, flash hiders, compensators with any design of porting, barrel extensions, golf ball launchers, you name it, all fit to the weld on cage. Link soon to idea behind it

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That is very cool, and I actually had a dream about something similar last night. I saw some of those polychokes with the external threads to adapt a muzzle device onto. I wonder if you could perm the muzzle device to that and then cut the barrel and perm the polychoke to the barrel to get the 18" length? I don't really know how the polychokes operate, though, so maybe they need to be removable for cleaning? Even still, I would think that an adapter for standard Rem chokes (or similar) could be made to perm to the barrel, and be able to adapt a MD to the end. Does anything like that exist already? I think that would be easier than tapping the barrel for the chokes. I definitely would like to shorten my barrel so that it is as short as possible without being NFA, so that means it probably isn't worth spending the money on the TAT and die to thread the barrel if the device needs to be permed anyway. I'll just bore whatever attachment on my lathe then silver solder, or pin/weld it to the barrel.

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I have been using the VEPR12 brake from CSS on my Saiga-12. I threw it on there are first just to see if it actually works, and it does! Now you guys have me thinking of cutting the barrel shorter and welding the brake on there to keep it legal with the BATFE. I can dump a full mag with practically no muzzle rise with that brake.

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I have been using the VEPR12 brake from CSS on my Saiga-12. I threw it on there are first just to see if it actually works, and it does! Now you guys have me thinking of cutting the barrel shorter and welding the brake on there to keep it legal with the BATFE. I can dump a full mag with practically no muzzle rise with that brake.

Thanks, that is a cool looking brake. I will have to give that a try at some point.

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I'm running a S12 Kushnapup, so my barrel sits at 19".

My GK-01 (CSS copy) just came in and it would bring the length up tp around 23.5".

The problem is, I want to keep the length down, but my Gunsmith has concerns that if I chop it down and permanently weld it or re-thread it, it will fly off the end.

If I cut the barrel back all the way to the frame of the Kushnapup, the GK-01 will bring it right back up to just over 19".

 

Is "flying off the barrel" or "blowing off the end of the gun" a legitimate concern as Malcolm suggested at the end of Post #10?

 

If so, what are my options (aside from just screwing the damn thing on and living with the length)?

 

Thanks!

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Sounds good.

I actually just found out that I cannot use the length of that particular muzzle device to make up lost difference in the barrel due to the ports.

Something about it not being a solid barrel and it would technically be illegal....don't want that.

Might be good info for anyone trying to maintain an 18" barrel by permanently welding certain compensators/muzzle breaks.

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Yes you can. You could technically have a sliver of barrel left and be legal as long as the barrel is 18" OAL. If this is info from your smith, I'd shop elsewhere.

The law is about concealability and how it pertains to length.

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Well, I haven't gotten through to my local ATF office yet for an official blessing (no weekends?), but Jack Travers aggres with you 100% and I take that as pretty much Gospel - no offense meant towards you, of course.

Thanks for setting me straight, guys.

 

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I would find another gunsmith!!!  The guy definitely does not have a clue in this regard.  If it didn't have ports/vents, etc., you might as well weld on a piece of pipe!!

 

No, it is entirely legal to permanently attach the Molot brake for an OAL of 18".

 

Ports have nothing to do with it.

 

This is the first time I have ever heard this one and I thought I had heard it all:)

 

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Jack Travers

JT Engineering

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I'm running a S12 Kushnapup, so my barrel sits at 19".

My GK-01 (CSS copy) just came in and it would bring the length up tp around 23.5".

The problem is, I want to keep the length down, but my Gunsmith has concerns that if I chop it down and permanently weld it or re-thread it, it will fly off the end.

If I cut the barrel back all the way to the frame of the Kushnapup, the GK-01 will bring it right back up to just over 19".

 

Is "flying off the barrel" or "blowing off the end of the gun" a legitimate concern as Malcolm suggested at the end of Post #10?

 

If so, what are my options (aside from just screwing the damn thing on and living with the length)?

 

Thanks!

Your 'smith doesn't sound very confident in his ability to permanently attach things. I think he is trying to find a subtle way to tell you it is way over his head and he doesn't want to do it.

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I understand. I'm just saying forget the brake, don't worry about the barrel length, and SBS the K-pup.

 

I was, of course, kidding... I get SBS happy since its practically the ONLY thing we can't have in IN (stupid stupid stupid law! AOW shotties are just fine... lame!) so it's naturally the only thing I would go through the BATFE hassle for.

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Now to find someone competent enough to weld the damn thing...

 

I believe that person would be called "any professionally certified welder".

 

LOTS of tradesman are into guns so it would probably be a fun job (meaning excellent work) and a gunsmith is NOT a certified welder (usually). Stay away from that dingdong you were talking to for life.

 

Personally, unless someone has a good reason otherwise, I'd just have them tack it on (maybe 4 tacks?) so you CAN grind the weld off and remove it later without too much mess. I would expect to pay about $10-15 to have that done with some nice TIG work. Seems like about a $1/minute job.

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Good advice.

Wish there was a way to search for gunsmiths in my area.

No luck so far.

 

WELDER... Not gun smith! smile.png

 

Also, as far as I'm aware, we have LOTS of good smiths on here that have FFLs and real businesses that could do whatever you need done via mail. I'd trust a good few of them for welding work, but I don't think that's required.

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