SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Bible is full of lies and misconseptions and was written by a governing authority. If you want to bring religion into a context for assertion then it is you who are truly ignorant and a contradiction to yourself and all you think is right. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think that somewhere along this beaten thread folks missed the elephant in the room. Please do share. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Odd Man Out 1,283 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 The Bible is full of lies and misconseptions and was written by a governing authority. If you want to bring religion into a context for assertion then it is you who are truly ignorant and a contradiction to yourself and all you think is right. Shotty I pray that your eyes will be opened one day. As it is now the phrase; "pearls before swine" rings true. Only one thing that I can agree with you on is the fact that the Bible was written by a governing authority and that one day all knees shall bow before that authority. I am sorry that you are so ignorant. People, I am trying to stay out of the fray since I feel my input is no longer needed. But when people make false accusations I feel it is my responsibility to correct them. Please carry on whining about the over bearing government... Would it not be better to start a thread on what we can do to curtail it's power? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Don't be sorry for me as my life has been great with no regrets, and I have never needed to use religion as a scapegoat for happiness. Believe what you want to believe just don't push your beliefs on to others. Peace- 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Odd Man Out 1,283 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Always impossible to push and I never try. Just stating my faith. It is always just between us and God. Middlemen usually just muck things up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Don't be sorry for me as my life has been great with no regrets, and I have never needed to use religion as a scapegoat for happiness. Believe what you want to believe just don't push your beliefs on to others. Peace- Faith does not enhance critical thinking abilities or make anyone more grounded in reality. it does however, allow circular reasoning to reign, thus reinforcing ones ability to connect unrelated facts to his own faith based ideals. Proselytizers are not wise, they simply bend ideas to fit their own viewpoint, in order to convince others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 *sighs* This is why we lose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) The Bible is full of lies and misconseptions and was written by a governing authority. If you want to bring religion into a context for assertion then it is you who are truly ignorant and a contradiction to yourself and all you think is right. I am sorry that you are so ignorant. Whoa there cowboy. Your feeling the need to interject the bible verses has somehow gotten past the mods and IMO has been a great addition to this great thread. But now you (and I) will probably get this thread damned to the basement. That said... Messiah's views do NOT make him ignorant. If you choose to believe that there is some dude in the sky making me type this, making you read this, making the ten thousand cars crash right at this moment in time, then fine. Not all of us believe that. Religion is people's way of dealing with their fear of death. They need to believe that this is not a one way trip that when over, it's over. The thought of Heaven makes people feel better. Feel free to call me names. I don't care, nor do I need your prayers. When I die, the worms will eat me. The end... Edited April 24, 2014 by Big John! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Odd Man Out 1,283 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Whoa there cowboy. Your feeling the need to interject the bible verses has somehow gotten past the mods and IMO has been a great addition to this great thread. But now you (and I) will probably get this thread damned to the basement. That said... Messiah's views do NOT make him ignorant. If you choose to believe that there is some dude in the sky making me type this, making you read this, making the ten thousand cars crash right at this moment in time, then fine. Not all of us believe that. Religion is people's way of dealing with their fear of death. They need to believe that this is not a one way trip that when over, it's over. The thought of Heaven makes people feel better. Feel free to call me names. I don't care, nor do I need your prayers. When I die, the worms will eat me. The end... BJ No name calling here, just stating facts as I see them just as Shotty did (notice the word "ignorant" used in his message). Being ignorant is to ignore the obvious. Shotty feels I ignore the obvious fact that there is no "dude in the sky" and I feel that Shotty is ignorant of the fact that there is indeed God. One of us is wrong but Shotty and yourself are betting on black -- either the blackness of nothingness or the blackness of being apart from God forever. I do find that sad and will indeed pray for both of your ignorance to be lifted one day. Since we are talking, here are couple things from my random stream of consciousness this morning; Christians do not think that God has us all on puppet strings, we all have free will to believe or disbelieve, do good or do evil that is why things like the holocaust or the Inquisition occurred. That leads me to another thing -- why did not God step in and stop such evil? I have no clue, I can't begin to know the mind of God, it is way above any paygrade I could think of. That is a question I will ask when I see Him. I was agnostic till age 26. Sometimes I can see the beauty in being able to see nothing but worms and dirt and nothingness after life. We have nothing to work for, nothing to try to strive for and owe nothing to nobody but ourselves. We can be our own Gods and create our own morality without fear. Our lives is all there is. Sounds good while young with a long horizon in front of us. But death comes to us all and as we age the thought of it will linger longer. Is this really all there is? Am I only here one second and gone the next? In terms of eternity do I really mean nothing? Christians do not see Heaven as a reward. There is no reward in Christianity only a pardon. Every person on earth is offered this pardon no matter who or where they are it is only up to each to freely accept it. When I was an agnostic I thought that Christianity was a crutch. Now that I am a Christian I readily admit that I can not walk straight without it so yes it is a crutch for me. Finally, why do you think Bible verses are so subversive that they need to "somehow gotten past the mods"? Funny that all sorts of filth and semi porn can flourish here but Bible verses -- Whooah!!! Seems to be typical of the New Amerika. Again, sad. Edited April 24, 2014 by Odd Man Out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 some of this came about because some of the people involved didn't follow Mark 12:17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Interesting considering the source; http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/23/3429758/bundy-militia/ As for the other if you wish to practice whatever you choose on the matter of spirituality then I suggest siding with liberty, works for everyone. But yall keep this up, it is everything our opponents could wish. Look to the common ground, the right to make up ones own mind without a government stooge or thug making it up for you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 getting back to following this issue and stop bantering , go bitch back and forth elsewhere. DIVISION is why we fail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am interested in how this progresses, at this point I could care less about peoples beliefs. A slightly irritated old JIM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 This ain't church. Save that shit for where it belongs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Cap, want it to go away? Stop feeding it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Bundy failed to: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's he hasn't paid for the use of the land if this was the IRS he'd be in jail already guess the BLM doesn't carry the same weight the government did the most fucked up operation seen in a while trying to handle this and now it's a stand off but it's not over. the government can't let him win that could start a trend and the next time it could be taxes some group refuses to pay. I'll believe people are ready to take up arms when they stop paying taxes but until then this pointing of guns and shit is just a bad way to go to jail. anyone figure the guy shown in the photo with his rifle feels safe from the government right now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Nope. But I bet he doesn't feel like a slave either. There are those who do and those who talk. Those who talk often talk about how the doers are doing it wrong. Edited April 24, 2014 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) They have a political section here so they need a religion section as well. Then I can avoid that like I avoid the 2 guys in white shirts and ties with black briefcases who like to bother me with their nonsense when I'm out working in the yard. They never seem to take "not interested" for an answer but they do understand a good soaking from the garden hose means no. Edited April 24, 2014 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Nope. But I bet he doesn't feel like a slave either. There are those who do and those who talk. Those who talk often talk about how the doers are doing it wrong. Yep. Actions speak louder than words. Its peoples lack of action that allows tyranny to reign. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Odd Man Out 1,283 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 You all have given me a good laugh, oh yeah let's ban all than stupid useless Christianity crap, leave it where it belongs... All you brainiacs have a clue where our founding fathers got their principles from to create the document that is the foundation of our country??? Priceless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 If you believe in a God then you must also believe in a Satan, because one can't exist without the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 OmO, its not a matter of where they got it, but how they got it. It sure as hell wasn't from sitting on their ass. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 2 views of a bad ass non tax payer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 YIN-YANG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 And now go figure the left is panting him as a bigot http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/gop-scrambles-condemn-ranchers-remarks-race-n88556 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Get it back on subject or its all going to fight club. I won't be wasting my time trying to clean this thread up off a smart phone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 what was the subject here after all? I got brainwashed by religion once again. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 A citizen fighting for his rights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 "Why can't we have the political section in the open forum Juggs???" Because God said so, Timmy.... Because God said so..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well that’s where a lot of the differences lie with this thread, be it viewed by Bible or bottle rockets. Some think he has the right to do it his way based on the history of the land and his family Some think he owes the government money for the use of these public lands Most agree the government totally screwed up trying to handle it And there is more than a little reason to suspect Harry Reid and his son have a vested interest in trying to get the land away from Bundy so they can sell it to the Chinese Some believe there has been enough done wrong by the government to warrant violent actions by the citizens Some think the government while stupid is still the best bet when compared to most of the world and aren’t ready to wave guns on camera. I know what I think and why and have a pretty good understanding of what some others here think but maybe not why. So if we don’t all see it the same oh fucking well I’ve tried to make a case and I’ve got a right to my thinking and so do you. But just to be clear if you disagree with me you’re wrong. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Looks like the old boy is shooting himself in the foot now. http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/cliven-bundy-just-ruined-his-cause-20140424 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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