PvtPyle 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 We just spoke with ATF, we are actually using their table to write this.... This is an easy fix to the problem according to Rick Vasquez from Tech Branch. If you have a saiga of any kind, from any importer, you need to measure the barrel and fix it. Measure the barrel from the bolt face closed to the end of the barrel with the choke off. IF you have a gun that is out of spec, call your local plumber and have him silver solder it on, or weld it in place. Do not call the ATF and freak out about it. Do not call your local PD and freak out about it. Just fix it. The ATF is not as concerned about the violations on the holders end, they just want them fixed. We are dealing with the import and sales violations now. That is what they are concerned about. IF you have a gun that is out of spec, regardless of who you got it from or when you got it, please email it to us ( sales@fbmginc.com) or call it in to us so we can compile it for the Russian plant and address the quality control issue. Please do not waste your time or ours by posting the number here IF you have a gun that is out of spec and got it from us we will make it right. We do not yet know how, we are working with RAAC on that. If you have a gun in question and want the removeable choke, we will exchange the gun for you. Please contact us directly for this. We all have seen how the ATF operates, and how things can change in the agency. This is what they are saying today, so take advantage of it and do what you need to do and we can address things on our end once everyone is clear of any issues. The ATF will be addressing this in writing very shortly, so again, do what you have to do RIGHT NOW. If you choose to wait for any other kind of resolution, more than likely it will become YOUR problem. Again, if you fix it now we will do what we can to fix your problem once everyone is clear. Thanks, FBMG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woofer2425 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Thank you PvtPyle for taking the inititive and getting to the bottom of this for us. Sounds like a very reasonable fix to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Yes thanks Pvt Pyle. It's nice to have someone at the Shot Show looking out for us. I don't know about you guys but I'm going thru the yellow pages to find me a plumber with some 12ga muzzle attachments laying around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) Perhaps Tony or someone else could produce a short length barrel extension we could have soldered/welded on with OEM threading so all the chokes/flash hiders/muzzle brakes we've already purchased can still be used and interchanged. Edited February 11, 2006 by tritium Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) I'm surprised the BATFE are being friendly in solving this issue. Im glad they didn't arrest the unwitting owners for having non compliant shotguns. Apparently JPFO's exposing their abuses has helped. We owe PvtPyle a big thanks for getting a friendly solution from the BATFE to the problem to keep our forum members from ending up in jail. Edited February 11, 2006 by uzitiger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Perhaps Tony or someone else could produce a short length barrel extension we could have soldered/welded on with OEM threading so all the chokes/flash hiders/muzzle brakes we've already purchased can still be used and interchanged. NO! Do not wait. Do what you have to do now and if you want to get the adjustable chokes on your gun, let us know and we will take care of you. If you wait, you may not be able to own a gun later. Fix it now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 This doesn't effect me, but how do you document "when" the fix was performed....especially if it's a diy? Hey, I'll give you this one to-you've always stated that you would stand behind your product sales if there was a problem. Not a better example than here.....now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Perhaps Tony or someone else could produce a short length barrel extension we could have soldered/welded on with OEM threading so all the chokes/flash hiders/muzzle brakes we've already purchased can still be used and interchanged. NO! Do not wait. Do what you have to do now and if you want to get the adjustable chokes on your gun, let us know and we will take care of you. If you wait, you may not be able to own a gun later. Fix it now! I understand your point, but I've purchased my S-12 from another source unfortunately, and not FBMG. Is there anything you guys can do in that case? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I can not take your gun in and give you a new one right now. BUT, we are getting more as we speak. Get with me off line, and if your dealer won't take care of you, we will help you fix this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) I can not take your gun in and give you a new one right now. BUT, we are getting more as we speak. Get with me off line, and if your dealer won't take care of you, we will help you fix this. Thanks. I am awaiting a response from my dealer to see what they are offering as a solution and if not satisfactory will contact you privately ASAP. Edited February 11, 2006 by tritium Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKOK 4 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Thanks...my S12 is on its way from you right now....I emailed you with my conserns....if it measures short when I get it I will contact you on the options. I want to add a brake of some kind anyway so maybe somthing can be worked out with Tony to get one of his brakes silver soldered on. thanks for jumping on this, Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 what did someone think that an extrenal choke was part of the barrel? who the hell yelled at me for saying it wasnt.... thanks for looking out, PvtPyle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berszerk 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Awesome work PvtPile, I will get with you Monday. BTW, thank you for the conversation this morning your customer service is second to none. Thanks Richard B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gazpacho 5 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 You have our most sincere thanks, PvtPyle. If you have the time, I'd like to treat you to a steak dinner. I'm local to Vegas. PM me and we can talk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frick 3 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I dont believe the BATFE was so friendly, as mentioned above, maybe it was JPFO, if so, good for them and their boot the BATFE campaign. Maybe, seeing that they dont really know WHICH of the people received a bad gun, as was the case with all the Yugo M76's imported in the lot mine was in, they figure a voluntary fix is acceptable, as opposed to recalling every shotgun sent out, if there were really 10,000 of them imported. I agree, fix em quick, the Justice Dept isnt gun friendly as with Ashcroft behind the wheel, before they decide they need recalled, and I guess you could always claim the choke was soldered on at the factory. Another question, if you attach a brake instead of a choke tube, would that violate 922R? I didnt think a brake was allowed until you did the whole US parts compliance thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Another question, if you attach a brake instead of a choke tube, would that violate 922R? I didnt think a brake was allowed until you did the whole US parts compliance thing. Very astute observation frick. Technically, I believe you are correct. Add a US muzzle flash hider and face 922r compliance. Of course this is a damage control exercise. RAA is going to feel BATFE heat for this before it is all said and done. As Riley said many years ago "What a revolting development!!!" Wolverine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 A muzzle break should be no problem, they were always legal. Its that horrible, evil flash hider that would be wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsargis 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 That's true about the flash hider and brakes and 922. I assume it's either silver solder the ORIGINAL choke back on or do your 922 compliant conversion immediately also. Makes sense. What a PIA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) The problem is that you would have to send ATF the muzzle device and have them rule as to whether it is actually a muzzle brake or a flash hider. That would probably take longer then the window of time they will allow to actually get the muzzle attachment permanently affixed. If FBMG has a contact at the ATF, maybe we could get the device expedited through a ruling. The two units that I have been using would definately be ruled as flash hiders. My new Shark brake may be ruled a muzzle brake, since it does not have any cuts that are parallel to the bore. Edited February 12, 2006 by TonyRumore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKOK 4 Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 The problem is that you would have to send ATF the muzzle device and have them rule as to whether it is actually a muzzle brake or a flash hider. That would probably take longer then the window of time they will allow to actually get the muzzle attachment permanently affixed. If FBMG has a contact at the ATF, maybe we could get the device expedited through a ruling. The two units that I have been using would definately be ruled as flash hiders. My new Shark brake may be ruled a muzzle brake, since it does not have any cuts that are parallel to the bore. Tony , Im going to convert mine right away so any muzzle device that brings the barrel length to the legal length would be cool , right? Im interested in the AK74 style break that you make...would that do the trick if silver soldered on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I have seen a solder on extension that has the internal threads for win-choke or rem-choke. Most likely Brownells,Midway may have one too. They should work nicely! Cut the barell back 1" less than the amount the extension adds. (OR FIGURE FOR 18.25"TOTAL) G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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