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So, is this why unmodified Galil mags fit after removing the trunnion material for magwell adapter installation? Also, If I were to build a .223 on an AK-74 kit, would the trunnion require removal of material for the adapter?

You will need to install a handguard retainer for this one on your Saiga, as it fits the standard AK configuration. I am not sure if you would need a different gas tube, need to check and see. The model MNT-HGSG39 is the one that will fit your Saiga w/o requiring a handguard retainer. If I remember correctly, it makes use of the pins protruding under the gas block of the Saiga for stability. If you don't wind up using it, I would be interested in possibly tradiing you something for it, as I have an AK build project about to start.

+1 Surprisingly compact, best sub 9mm round, built like a tank. Has a bad rep for double action trigger pull, but not any worse than my snubby revolver. As others have stated, given the adrenalin rush, it is actually a plus IMHO.

Mine fit reasonably tight beforr doing the Renegade Buck AR magwell adapter. After the front trunnion material was removed, they wobbled more than I was comfortable with. Not wanting them to go to waste, I added a bit of JB Weld to the sides and more so the front of the mags, which got rid of most of the excessive wobble. I had some steel Galils which were modified prior to the adapter installation which I did the same fix for. I love the AR adapter, runs like a top. I found that he Tapco and Galil mags both fit unmodified since the trunnion material was removed for the adapter. Previo

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I have seen a tab with sling hole which mounts between the forward mounted pistol grip and the receiver, shouldn't be difficult to fabricate something similar. Another thought: How about a mounting point reinforcement allowing the use of the holes from removing the factory trigger assembly?

I have found that the 25 yard mark is about right for getting in the ballpark on paper. There is a slight arc that on most rounds (not sure about .223) comes pretty close on the 100 yard mark after tweeking it at 25 yards.

I went with the Renegade buck adapter, but would have no qualms going with MSA. I have had a great experience, although I underestimated the amount of material to be removed. I went very slow and now have a great fitting adapter that loves AR mags of all types. As a result of the material removed for the adapter, I have found that both Galil steel and Tapco Galil/Golani mags fit pretty well without modification. Prior to removing the trunnion material for the adapter, Galil's had to have the front area ground down in order for the mag to seat properly (instructions elsewhere on this sit

I was wondering if one or two screws could be used to help secure some kind of a side mount rear aperture sight......

You need the AK/SKS Sight tool, it will make easy work of adjusting it. Here is one place you can get one: http://centerfiresys...m/TOOSKS04.aspx

I would grind it to a more uniform shape on top, clean it up and re-seat it with JB Weld underneath. If you prepare the surface properly, it shouldn fill up the space and hold with the screw. I have used it beneath my home made guide, which had some space, and it has held up for over a thousand rounds. Since the metal surface of the guide is all that contacts the bullet, there is not a problem with it chipping. Worst case is it won't work and you are no worse off. The JB Weld is easy to remove, and you go to plan B. Just remember to use the industrial strength that takes 8-10 hours t

The only real issue for .223 Saiga's, assuming a basic conversion moving the trigger group forward, add pistol grip and change butt stock and installing a bullet guide is the issue of magazines. Set the magazine issue aside and you have legendary AK ruggedness and reliability firing standard .223 ammo. If you want to use standard AK mags, there are few choices, and they typically require modifications to work. I elected to install an AR magwell adapter on mine and have 100% reliability using milspec and aftermarket AR mags.

It sounds like a good concept, too bad it is MIA. I got a Renegade Buck adapter last year and love it, solved all the mag problems, very reliable. Semi-permanent would be good.

I installed the Renegade Buck adapter late last year. Both adapters do require grinding or milling the underside of your front trunnion to allow the AR mags to seat high enough. I wish I had done mine sooner. It is a constant hassle to get and fit AK type mags, almost all require custom fitting. Now I just pop in a milspec or aftermarket AR mag and it runs like a top w/o any problem. You don't even need to install a bullet guide (even though they are no problem for most tinkerers).

Interesting. I reversed the spring on the follower of a steel Galil mag that just would not function reliably, and it solved the problem. Makes you wonder how many trouble mags might be caused by this. I had not ordered any yet, but probably will still try some, for the range. Regarding the PII, I was told you could launch one from Orlando and hit the hot dog stand outside the Pentagon.

The one Saiga mag I modified (10 rounder) works perfectly with bullet guide. Just cut/filed the built-in bullet guide.

Good point. My Bulgy AK-47 gas tube was an unissued spare. I simply eyeballed the stock tube contact surface and gradually fit it. Nice to know that the AK-74 tube has advantages, will keep that in mind next time.

Thanks to both for the comments. M1key, have you been shooting straight FMJ or the hollow point, and do you have a preference? I'm thinking the heavier the bullet, given decent performance, the terminal ballistics should be better. the 75 grain is 36% heavier than the 55 grain and 21% heavier than the 62 grain. I don't have the muzzle velocity or kinetic energy info on the 75 grain Russian, I assume it is probably in the 2650-2700 fps and 1100 fp range. Sectional density would be better due to the longer bullet, but not sure how it all mixes up in the .223 world (my Saiga is my first .22

My Saiga .223 love everything I have fed it so far, and my favorite has been the Silver Bear 62 grain. I saw some 75 grain "Russian" advertised ($110/500 rounds), thought about trying it. My Saiga doesn't mind the relative "dirty" Russian stuff. I generally order 500 rounds at a time, and am getting low. Looking for reports/recommendations.

It is often necessary to file the angled surface of the gas tube (where the locking lever rides) to get the correct fit, same thing when replacing the SKS gas tubes. These rifles have a lot of variation, and this tends to be a hand fit on the few AK and SKS tubes I have replaced. SKS has same issue on receiver cover. My .223 Saiga is sporting a Bulgy AK-47 gas tube, with no problem except the fitting required. Runs like a top. My guess is that you filed too much, because the tube should not be loose with the locking lever locked. I agree, try another one and go slow on the fitting, c

You might want to try some of the 20 round Thermold AR mags for the range. Centerfire Systems has them for $3.99 each right now. I might pick up a few myself.

Glad to see you got your adapter installed. I took mine out Monday to test a bunch of mags I got recently, a mix of used aluminum milspec LE, milspec new, TAPCO composite, and a couple of new steel Korean mags. 100% success with all, no FTF or FTE, just fun shooting Also used my Galils, a mix of issued/unaltered and previously altered before removing the trunnion material for the Renegadebuck adapter (IMI steel and TAPCO Galil/Golani), also 100% I was impressed with the Korean steel AR mags, which I got from Centerfire Systems. They are strong and stout, feed really well, gonna get mo

+1 You need at least one reliable .223 battle rifle, even when stocking up on the other calibers. If you are mobile, not able to access a pre-stored cache, you have to think about getting ammo from existing sources, even if it is the spoil resulting from firefights or from planned raids on supply sources. That plays favorably with my .223 converted Saiga with AR mag adapter, reliably putting rounds downrange all day long. Also have Galil's and a few other AK .223 mag types as well. As far as accuracy goes, get yourself a decent sniper rifle setup, a military bolt gun with glass o