Paladin

While I appreciate the analytical science going on here, the sort answer is that a 12ga. slug at close range will not penetrate or knock you down. It will, however, deliver so much blunt force trauma as to end the fight. See the clay? that's what your chest is going to look like. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16_4.htm

Welcome to the party. You'll find there are lots of new dodads and mods for the S12, you can dress it up a little, or alot. Either way, you now have the worlds premier combat shotgun. There's lots of sticky's you can read for info.

Bob, I could not possibly agree with you more. I have found myself coming here less and less because of it. I just try to stay up on parts availability. While that's probably music to some people's ears, the religion and politics and various other bullshit is just way out of proportion lately. I'm a hard ass, opinionated, and grew up on dark streets-you can't shock me or run me off. But I didn't come to Saiga12 to argue about religion, politics, or to see dead fish sticking out of a guys ass. There are people on here that have a wealth of knowledge I'd like to learn from and new p

Well, I've waited this long. I'll wait a little longer.

(to the tune of the old Dr. Pepper ad music) I'm a prepper, she's a prepper, don't you want to be a prepper too! I wonder what percentage of people here have lots of guns and ammo stashed, but no water?

Aarrggg...

Only a truly sad fuck would shoot someone's dog for no reason.

Glad your home safe!

I eagerly await the range reports!!! I need, I want,... I... must... have!!

I use a Fast Fire on an Ultimak tube rail on my X39 and am very happy with it. I have probably 1K rounds though it. I am adding another one to my S12.

Thanks Bob, I have sifted through all that before as I am planning my SBS now. But it's great to have it all in one spot. Juggs/Indy can we get a sticky on this?

:( Sorry to hear that.

Really sorry to hear this, I hope for a full recovery soon. Hang in there Shannon.

Nice set up!

I'm sorry for your families loss.

Nice vid!

Nice! Looks like it turned out pretty good.

Congrats!!! Fatherhood is the best journey you can take.

Thanks for the sweet pic's DR!

Just keeping the bump of love going,

I wouldn't bet on that. The consensus is that the only way to co-witness a red dot with AK irons is with an Ultimak rail with a MRD like the Burris/Doc or the H-1/T-1's. The Russian red dots work well, but my Fast Fire weighs 2oz. ounces and the Ultimak adds virtually no weight either as it is a gas tube integrated with a pic rail. The Russian units with side mounts weigh a lot more. The Ultimak/MRD or the LaRue IronDot is the only way to co-witness a red dot with irons that I know of. I spent $175. on the FF and $100 on the Ultimak. That's only $275.00 for a true co-witnes

So you're saying that the FastFire is a decent MRD and paying an additional ~$251 for a Docter MRD is a waste of money? I'd love to hear that.. as I really could use that $250 for more 7.62x39 ammo or S-12 conversion parts, (plan to convert it myself, looks like fun). I've never owned a Doc so I can't say ones better than the other. I can say that if you search for reiveiws of the Doc you find there's some that have problems with them. Some probably have had problems with a Fast Fire too for that matter. I know they were designed to be mounted on the slides of semi-auto hand

Damn!, I sorry that this happened to you. I've had my apartment and my car broken into before. Since your at a higher risk now than even before I would take a tour around you're house from the outside and look at windows, doors, any way they could get in and formulate a plan for securing or reinforcing them. I have also "heard" of traps being set. It could be a non lethal set up, like OC spray with marking die tied into a trip wire. Easy to set when you're away or when your wife is home alone. Intruders get hit with it they are not likely to stick around waiting to recover.

The answer is simple: If you're a rich, famous person you get off easier than poor, unknown people.