converse 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hello All, New to the Forums and Saiga's in general. Are these shotguns legal in California? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Californians should demand better gun rights! If 1/2 the gun lovers there sent a letter a week sould do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Bill 0 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ok ,this is a question I was going to post as a separate thread but I am adding it here,if needed I will start a new topic. Here in the PRKALIF- I have been doing some investigating on the issue of getting a saiga 12 into the state. It appears that as long as it is a 'single shot' shoygun,or a 'pump' then a saiga 12 SHOULD be able to brought in-like they did to the romanian 'pump AK's' a couple years ago. What they did was NOT have a gas port in the barrels and made a funky-but ingenious-way to make them a pump. NOW, I am thinking that IF I could find a willing FFL to do it AND I could find someone licensed to tap and plug the gas port somehow on a saiga 12 it would then be a single shot and not fall under the 'semi auto shotgun w/a detach clip is an -i HATE the term-assault weapon,since it is not semi AND single shot/pump shotguns are NOT banned from having detach mags. I have recently read that the#$@!!!%#@#@%$%$# BA$$TARDS in SACRILIGIOUSMENTO are updating their 'list' and have put "EAA-saiga" on the list-NOW,there is a court ruling that stated an assault weapon MUST be listed SPECIFICALLY by name,model,etc and NOT just by 'family resemblance'. The listing of 'EAA-SAIGA' DOES NOT specifically list the models in a specific model category i.e. 308,223,saiga 112,20,410,etc so I am going to do a little more snooping around on this. If I feel confident enough to try it,would/could Tony/Tromix do the modification and does anyone know of a KNOWLEDGABLE ffl in California? as an aside-You know that i can LEGALLY buy an Ohio Ordinance AK receiver or a Imbel made FN receiver here for the simple fact that they are NOT produced or labeled as AK.... or FN FAL and as long as I adhere to the 'letter of the law' I can build up a rifle to be 'legal',yet most ffl in the state do not know this and have no idea of the court ruling that is on record. I can list the links if anyone is interested or may be willing to help me out. I am going to contact a couple ffl's here -who are up to date on stuff and see what they think. I do not have any problem with the background check-hell run my name-I have no record,and I do not have any issues with FTF, My issue is the fact that some pion gets to decide whether or not I get to enjoy the things I like to do based on some liberal hysterical irrational basis of inaccuracies-sorry I ranted-I am back now I guess in the end this may be the only way to get a saiga 12 here and have it brought back to 'normal' when I can get out of the fffffin state-born and raised here and I have been watching it it go down hill for years,whole other bag of issues and a BIG soap box if I get on and start yelling. I thank all the members in advance for your opinions and thoughts-WHEW! I need a cocktail now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 It'd be a fairly easy modification to do...just weld the gas ports closed, or as you said: tap them and put a screw in there. However, I imagine you'd need a permanant fix, so a screw may not be enough for the Kaliforny Kommies. But my question is: why? You'd end up with a bolt action shotgun that costs $475 and will only hold 5+1. You'd be better of saving your money and getting cheaper pump. A bolt action is very slow to fire in comparison, will hold less, and costs more. I know saigas are sweet guns, but I just don't think it's worth your time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ah yes,but it tasks me,it tasks me and I shall have it... Honestly I have wanted one of these since they came out and I am rather stubborn-if you look at my stuff under the 'zombie defense' thread you will see what I have- even if it is a sigle shot,I can have it even with a pg conversion and change it back whenever I move out of here. My luck is they will be banned somehow before I get one-hell they were 225 bucks only about a year ago and now they are 475!!! I am tired of getting screwed by this state's politicians, hell I wanted one of the FN pistols but NOOOO-you could not have ammo for one here and were rare as hens teth in the stores. I think you can see where I am coming from,heck, if I have one and move to a class 3 state I will have Tromix do a chop on it and de-nuter it at the same time. I like different weapons and the saiga would be great for camping,offroading,etc-I think a clip fed shotgun is easier to clear and unload than a regular tube shotgun for obvious reasons. I saw that proto saiga pump couple years ago but I guess none were made. Thank's for the response Aegis! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Get a storage locker in Arizona, or New mexico, or Nevada. Commiefornia can't touch that! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hey GOB! Believe me I am working on a way to get out of here,but even IF I had a secure place to store them-which defeats any protection value for me-I still could not buy one since I do not have a residence.... which reminds me-when they do a background check and it goes through the system,I do not see why you cannot live in any state and buy from any state-the DOJ is (supposed) to destroy the check once the transaction is completed and everything is a-ok. I have to correct myself-the background checks I guess go through the respective state's DOJ where you live... I just really want a saiga 12 bad,i will keep looking for a legit way to get one or the minute I move...... Til then i will just have to have fun with what I have.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 If you can buy the receiver by itself (because it is not built into anything that's against the law), then you could have a dealer in another state strip the S12 and sell you the empty receiver thru your local FFL with full paperwork. Separately, he would send you the parts (which are just metal parts and not restricted anywhere). Then it is up to you at that point how you would put it together. This is the same as how you can buy an AR, AK, FAL or any other reciever now (like you said), because it has been proven that you can build some kind rifle with these receivers that is compliant with the law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 ThousandSon: Do what I did and get the fuck out of that lousy state. It's the best decision I have ever made. There is a better life outside of that place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hey Groaner, I am trying but the hard part is having a job lined up,been looking and sending resumes but it is hard to go to any interviews. Believe me I will blaze a trail as soon as I can to get out of here. You can not go or do much of anything with it turning into a cluster fck for one reason or another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) No It is IN FACT legal to own a Saiga-12 in California IF the proper modifications are made. The 10 round magazine MUST have a bullet button if you also have a pistol grip. I own two Saiga-12s' and I live in Fresno, California. My FFL can't keep them on the shelves long enough before someone is buying one. JMDove Edited April 14, 2011 by jmdove 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) zombie thread... Edited April 13, 2011 by lokmeup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
247Nino 3 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 ZOMBIE THREAD RESURRECTION ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I'm going to run out of pics if this keeps up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
REDHORSE 0 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) THREAD FROM THE GRAVE. The only Saiga models banned in California are the ones marked and imported by "Kalashnikov USA". Saiga models imported by the other import companies are LEGAL as long as they are not configured as an CA AW. All shotguns with detachable mags and Rifles with Pistol Grips and detachable magazines will have to have Bullet Buttons installed to stay legal. Edited April 13, 2011 by REDHORSE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Did ThousandSon ever get his Saiga12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sicarius 0 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) NM Edited April 14, 2011 by Sicarius Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Nothing Cool or fun will ever be legal in California. If anything cool or fun is still legal there, it won't be for long! You are probably being monitored now for communicating with people in the "Free World" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyler Derden 0 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Dam. I posted info in this thread before I checked the date. Edited April 14, 2011 by Tyler Derden Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) zombie thread... I assume by "Zombie thread" you mean it is old. That is because I spent the last day going over all the threads over several years looking for the old threads that interested me-mainly gunsmithing the S12. The thread is STILL relevant. And I couldn't resist putting my 2 cents into the ring, even if it is old, it is not dead, especially when I saw incorrect information. Other Cal state gun law victims might think the state is worse off than it actually is at the moment. Edited April 14, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 THREAD FROM THE GRAVE. The only Saiga models banned in California are the ones marked and imported by "Kalashnikov USA". Saiga models imported by the other import companies are LEGAL as long as they are not configured as an CA AW. All shotguns with detachable mags and Rifles with Pistol Grips and detachable magazines will have to have Bullet Buttons installed to stay legal. What you have siad is essentially true. There are a few more details needed to make it Cal legal, but the bullet button solves most of the problem. JmDove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cc raider 0 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 No If I didn't know better I'd think y'all are trying to keep the the good guns away from Yankees/Californians! As I understand it, you can have a Saiga 12 if it's shipped with the bullet button/mag lock already installed. Then proceed to convert it to 922r compliant but with only one of the two options- pistol grip or folding stock but not both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) No If I didn't know better I'd think y'all are trying to keep the the good guns away from Yankees/Californians! As I understand it, you can have a Saiga 12 if it's shipped with the bullet button/mag lock already installed. Then proceed to convert it to 922r compliant but with only one of the two options- pistol grip or folding stock but not both. It's not us. California, New York, New jersey, Michigan/Wisconsin, Illinois are all states infested with the mental disease called liberalism/progressivism. It seems almost monthly, here in California, that my blood pressure goes up as some new democratic legislator proposes new restrictions on gun sales, ammo, types of guns, where you can carry, etc.etc.etc. The latest proposal for our state is that you can't carry an empty gun in public. Well, "public" has NOT been defined in this bill so that even the deep woods, on public lands, could be considered public. The truth is that liberalism/socialism/progressivism is not just actively trying to ruin gun rights, but is also trying to ruin our nation's economy! As for the Saiga 12 having to be shipped already with a bullet button, it can be shipped that way, but it is not required. The FFL can order the gun and then put a bullet button device of some type on themselves then sell it. Edited April 15, 2011 by jmdove Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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