topmaul 42 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02...lt_rifles_.html I would have put this in the funny stuff bit it is not funny, this moron is calling us terrorists! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) Arf.com, THR, among others flooded the Outdoor life servers. He issued an apology, by I left a comment that I would not accept an apology for the shit he said. For all those who do not know, we are terrorists for owning AR15s. Fuck Zumbo. Hes dead to me. Remington issued an official dissagreement. They'll probably withdrawl sponsorship. I for one will not spend money on publications or manufacturers who provide him with income. Arf.com has a whole bunch of threads. We were so inflamed that ARF.com was overloading! Edited February 19, 2007 by headshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 And after reading that last posting there, I think I will retire to the bathroom and drain old Mr. Zumbo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
44rdv4rk 0 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 And after reading that last posting there, I think I will retire to the bathroom and drain old Mr. Zumbo. yeah, i just ate a big bowl of chili, and then sat down to take a big steaming zumbo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 And after reading that last posting there, I think I will retire to the bathroom and drain old Mr. Zumbo. yeah, i just ate a big bowl of chili, and then sat down to take a big steaming zumbo. Looks like I have to cut back a little on the corn on the cob for my next zumbo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 (I disagree) "with what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." -Voltaire Paraphrased later by Beatrice Hall in Friends of Voltaire as: "I disapprove with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I don't know Zumbo from Adam but I think we all agree that he is entitled to his own opinion. That said, maybe this guy does live in a vacuum, maybe he has never touched a military type "sporting arm" or maybe he really doesn't know his ass from his elbow. But his opinion pretty much is that, his own for whatever reason. I understand he may have given the Brady Campaign and their like the verbal equivalent of a 200rd drum magazine but let's think about this for a minute. When was the last time someone from the Brady Campaign actually solicited a reason from the gun community as to why we want our firearms? If something as scientifically sound as crime statistics in Florida can not possibly force them to reconsider their stance then they are beyond reasoning with. For those that are not familiar with crime stats in FL, they have dropped considerably since they allowed citizens to carry concealed in 1987. I would guess that stats will continue to drop since they enacted the Castle Doctrine in 2005. This of course is more boring and less sensational than a 19 year old Bosnian teen going on a killing spree in Utah. But if he'd tried that in FL chances are he would have been shot dead not long after firing the first round. Guys (and gals) all I'm saying is that if his writing pissed you off, by all means let him and his editors know. I think an even better idea would be to simply ask him "Mr. Zumbo, why in the world would you think that way?" Hell we might learn that as a young lad Zumbo's sweetheart was swept away by Eugene Stoner with his carefree machine-gunning ways. Or we might learn that Zumbo is really some kind of prissy hunter who sticks his pinky out while pulling the trigger (it's only possible if you're not using a pistol grip....hmmmm). But if you're hell bent on causing harm to his livelihood because he's stating his opinion I would just caution that it may be going a bit far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
busy_squirrel 1 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 yeah, i just ate a big bowl of chili, and then sat down to take a big steaming zumbo. Don't forget to wipe your Zumbo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Exercize you'r freedom of speech- Zumbo urinal targets! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 So..since I got buried under some homework last night, anybody got a copy of this wonderful steaming pile of it? Outdoor blogs link goes to the big ol 404 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 This may be long, but every American needs to read and re-read this.... To All - Show me any magazine article about "consumer availble", 20+ round capible, semi-auto rifle in any gun magazine (GUNS & AMMO - ETC...) over the last 20 years and I'll eat it (LE Weapons and Firearms and Soldier of Fortune excluded! I am talking about ANYONE in the United States can buy - and No 10-22's, mini-14's or mini-30 because they were no factory high-cap mags availble to the public and congress deliberatly omitted them from the last AW ban - [thank you Bill Ruger (socialist/communist from Arizona)- REST IN SHIT!]...). This is BS in the highest degree... RE-READ THE 2nd AMENDMENT PEOPLE.... Show me one place in the U.S. Constitution that mentions or has ANYTHING TO WITH... "legitimate sporting purpose" OR HOME DEFENSE!!!! and I'll eat that too... We are here - with guns - AS GUARNTEED BY THE 2nd Amnedment.... to KILL THOSE THAT WOULD KILL US AND AND/OR FAMILIES (BECAUSE OF and/or our lifestyle) I.E. - OUR WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! PUNTO... PERIOD-. END-OF-STORY! WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!! That is what the 2nd Amendment is all about - not duck or deer hunting... Not NRA annual meeting. Not 3-gunning. Not home defense. Not plinking. Not rodent killing. It is about our very survival as a people - from domestic as well as foreign subversion. The founding father thought important enough to enumerate it as our 2nd Amendement - above search and seizure or self incrimination!!!!!! The 2nd Amendment is about US - (you and me and the people we care about) - (AKA - WE THE PEOPLE) being self reliant and not depending on the government) But, now our government sees us as inconvineniece and as "something to be dealt with"... I fail to understand why people don't uphold and defend this amendment... I fail to understand why WE, as a people, have let it get this far ... If we let the 2nd Amendment go... the rest will follow in VERY SHORT ORDER... (TRUST ME - I HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER COUNTRIES! - DE OPPRESSO LIBRE!) Why is this Amendment sacrosanct... [Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791 - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.] ...And this one despensible and outdated... Without realizing that this is the one that makes all others possible... Gun-Owning American's - You need to print these amendments and carry them in your wallets/purses [seriously!!!!]... [Amendment II - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.] -------------------------- If we are going to talk about "out dated and irrelevant amendments in our outdated Constitution, I say - lets start dealing with the 3rd Amendment... [Amendment III - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.] REPEAL THE THIRD AMENDMENT - DO IT NOW! It may not be "politically correct and it may piss some people off - BUT I GIVE A FUCK! IF WE ARE GONNA START FUCKIN WITH THE CONSTITUTION - LETS START HERE....!!!! MY IS BATTLE LINE DRAWN... Cross it at your own demise. Macbeau sends... ------------------------------------------------------- [For those of you who are not familiar with what the U.S. Constitution says - please look it up... - Otherwise - piss off and report to your union leader, Commissar, or Overseer...) Here is all of the Amendments for your entertainment - but that is all they are worth - Until I find enought support.! - Then, your ass is mine!] Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment II - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment III - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment IV - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment V - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment VI - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment VII - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases. Ratified 12/15/1791. In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment IX - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment X - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XI - Judicial Limits. Ratified 2/7/1795. Note History The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XII - Choosing the President, Vice-President. Ratified 6/15/1804. Note History The Electoral College The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XIII - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865. History 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XIV - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XV - Race No Bar to Vote. Ratified 2/3/1870. History 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XVI - Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913. Note History The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XVII - Senators Elected by Popular Vote. Ratified 4/8/1913. History The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures. When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XVIII - Liquor Abolished. Ratified 1/16/1919. Repealed by Amendment XXI, 12/5/1933. History 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XIX - Women's Suffrage. Ratified 8/18/1920. History The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XX - Presidential, Congressional Terms. Ratified 1/23/1933. History 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin. 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day. 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified. 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them. 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article. 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXI - Amendment XVIII Repealed. Ratified 12/5/1933. History 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. 3. The article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXII - Presidential Term Limits. Ratified 2/27/1951. History 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXIII - Presidential Vote for District of Columbia. Ratified 3/29/1961. History 1. The District constituting the seat of Government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct: A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment. 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXIV - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964. History 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXV - Presidential Disability and Succession. Ratified 2/10/1967. Note History 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President. 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress. 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President. 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXVI - Voting Age Set to 18 Years. Ratified 7/1/1971. History 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment XXVII - Limiting Congressional Pay Increases. Ratified 5/7/1992. History No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I can tell Jim Zumbo's a big prissy just by reading what he wrote in that article. He's one of those fucking' "elitist" hunter types who think that spending alot of money for your hunting equipment somehow makes you better (or more ethical) hunter somehow. He can suck my balls too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Is it just me or did they shut down the web site for his little blog or whatever it was? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I had written to my representatives here in new york when they were going to sign that 50 caliber ban. apparantly, none of them knew that they would lose thier 12 gauge deer guns and their 200,000$ antique holland and hollands. that seemed to bring it home to them, and they all of a sudden started thinking twice about it. I also pointed this out to pro gun activists in this area and it was immediately recognised for what it was. a crock of facist crap. this country is based on war. period. people got tired of all the world's bullshit and came HERE to start anew, and the constitution and bill of rights demonstrates that in extremely CLEAR terms. they can sure TRY to take my guns, but when they do, if they do, they will find a nice enlarged copy of the declaration of independance along with a printout of the laws defining what makes me american and what that involves, as well as a statement of tyrannical rule along with every name in my area that is responsible for spreading a false american ideal, and then backing that tyranny. they can then TRY to track me down and kill me if they want. they probably will do just that, but I will go down defending what america IS. not what some sap thinks it SHOULD HAVE been. they need to move back to canada or europe or wherver it is they came from or want to live like, because that is not the way it is here. simply put, and I mean this, I will consider them the enemy like the others, and I will have a right to act how they would seek to force me to act. they will fall right into the category that I have put the terrorists, communists, facists, and mexican "quiet invasion" types into, and will be treated as such, because that is exactly what they will have become by the word of the law and our forefathers. i know that im preaching to the choir and everything, but that is just how it is, and I am not afraid to say it, as I have a RIGHT to free speech, i have a RIGHT from fear of persecution, I have a RIGHT to live as I wish, and I have a RIGHT to defend that all. to not defend what I am at my core would probably kill me, and is not very fair to myself and others to just toss my rights I hold so dearly that were granted 200+ years ago by a bunch of people that went through all of that already and were so sick of it, they found a way to get rid of it and keep it that way. if it comes back to that time, I am sure I will not be alone in my actions or my thinking. and THAT is what they are REALLY afraid of. which is why they pass little bitty laws one at a time. one day we will all wake up and we wont be able to take up our arms to set it the way home is supposed to be. that, I cannot live with, and in fact, I wont. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 and I would hate to see thier server bill next month, by the way! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKOK 4 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 and THAT is what they are REALLY afraid of. which is why they pass little bitty laws one at a time. one day we will all wake up and we wont be able to take up our arms to set it the way home is supposed to be. that, I cannot live with, and in fact, I wont. Exactly...thats why we never should give any ground on gun control...incrementalism is a cancer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistonring8 1 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I had written to my representatives here in new york when they were going to sign that 50 caliber ban. apparantly, none of them knew that they would lose thier 12 gauge deer guns and their 200,000$ antique holland and hollands. that seemed to bring it home to them, and they all of a sudden started thinking twice about it. I also pointed this out to pro gun activists in this area and it was immediately recognised for what it was. a crock of facist crap. this country is based on war. period. people got tired of all the world's bullshit and came HERE to start anew, and the constitution and bill of rights demonstrates that in extremely CLEAR terms. they can sure TRY to take my guns, but when they do, if they do, they will find a nice enlarged copy of the declaration of independance along with a printout of the laws defining what makes me american and what that involves, as well as a statement of tyrannical rule along with every name in my area that is responsible for spreading a false american ideal, and then backing that tyranny. they can then TRY to track me down and kill me if they want. they probably will do just that, but I will go down defending what america IS. not what some sap thinks it SHOULD HAVE been. they need to move back to canada or europe or wherver it is they came from or want to live like, because that is not the way it is here. simply put, and I mean this, I will consider them the enemy like the others, and I will have a right to act how they would seek to force me to act. they will fall right into the category that I have put the terrorists, communists, facists, and mexican "quiet invasion" types into, and will be treated as such, because that is exactly what they will have become by the word of the law and our forefathers. i know that im preaching to the choir and everything, but that is just how it is, and I am not afraid to say it, as I have a RIGHT to free speech, i have a RIGHT from fear of persecution, I have a RIGHT to live as I wish, and I have a RIGHT to defend that all. to not defend what I am at my core would probably kill me, and is not very fair to myself and others to just toss my rights I hold so dearly that were granted 200+ years ago by a bunch of people that went through all of that already and were so sick of it, they found a way to get rid of it and keep it that way. if it comes back to that time, I am sure I will not be alone in my actions or my thinking. and THAT is what they are REALLY afraid of. which is why they pass little bitty laws one at a time. one day we will all wake up and we wont be able to take up our arms to set it the way home is supposed to be. that, I cannot live with, and in fact, I wont. +1 Bvamp... My 12 guage slugs are around 63 caliber I signed the nationwide petition that circulated a few years ago. I'm not much of a hunter (I try sometimes) But I love a big slug! If I could afford a .50 like Indy got, I'd be all over that shit!! I read this Zumbo guys article, it was geared toward the "traditional" hunter. Those guys are out there.... Lots of them. I see them at the public range all the time, turning thier noses up at our high cap mags and nudging each other every time we unsheath our awesome firearms. I have even managed to convert a few of my traditional hunter friends! In all honesty, I understand the outrage against his one sidedness but its so typical that I rarely notice the pejudice when I see it. Its alot like the difference between guys that ride choppers and the guys that ride sport bikes. The guy that shows off his '57 Chevy at a car show HATES the kid with the Honda Civic showing off his wide body kit and lambo doors. They even go so far as to try and have the imported cars banned from "traditional" car shows. I know all about it..... Sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Zumbo Fires Back At Senator Levin http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/tow_final.php?date=2007-3-30 In February, hunter and outdoorsman Jim Zumbo enraged shooters across the United States with comments appearing his now-discontinued blog on Outdoor Life. Since that fateful blog, Zumbo's professional life has changed - profoundly. A marquee career in hunting has effectively been reduced to nothingness. Television sponsors bolted, contracts were cancelled and a former front-man for hunting found himself the object of hatred and ridicule by shooters who felt betrayed by his comments. Zumbo hasn't tried to shift the blame to anyone else. In fact, he pledged to go on the offensive to fight HR 1022, the newly introduced and significantly broadened, assault weapons ban. Last week, Michigan Senator Carl Levin, a staunch opponent of firearms, used Zumbo's remarks to attack firearms owners, reading portions into the Congressional Record. Zumbo has fired back, sending an open letter to the United States Senate that responds to Levin's action and makes it plain that Zumbo isn't letting that action pass. Last night, Zumbo provided us a copy of his response to Senator Levin. Today, in the sense of fairness, we offer it in its entirety - without comment. An Open Letter to the United States Senate Dear Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen: It recently came to my attention that one of your colleagues, Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, has chosen to attack firearms owners using remarks I wrote in mid-February as his launch pad. As you probably know, Sen. Levin has been making anti-gun speeches every week for the past eight years because of a promise he made to the Economic Club of Detroit in May 1999. Mr. Levin has an agenda, and he should have spoken to me before using my name in one of his speeches, especially since his remarks were entered into the Congressional Record. I would like my remarks here entered into the Congressional Record as well. Sen. Levin is only one of 16 members of the Senate to vote against the Vitter Amendment to the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act. This amendment prohibits the confiscation of a privately-owned firearm during an emergency or major disaster when possession of that gun is not prohibited under state or federal law. Eighty-four senators voted for that amendment, inspired by the egregious confiscation of firearms from the citizens of New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina in the summer of 2005. Those seizures, you will recall, led the Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association to join in a landmark civil rights lawsuit in federal court that brought the confiscations to an abrupt end. The taking of private property without warrant or probable cause - even firearms - was considered an outrage by millions of American citizens, and yet Sen. Levin joined 15 of his colleagues in voting against this measure. It is no small wonder that Sen. Levin gets an "F" rating from gun rights organizations. He would have American citizens disarmed and left defenseless at a time when they need their firearms the most, when social order collapses into anarchy and protecting one's self and one's family is not simply a right and responsibility, it becomes a necessity. That in mind, Sen. Levin must know that almost immediately after I wrote those remarks, I recanted and apologized to the millions of Americans who lawfully and responsibly own, compete with and hunt with semi-automatic rifles. I took a "crash course" on these firearms and visited with my good friend Ted Nugent on his ranch in Texas, where I personally shot an AR-15 and educated myself with these firearms. Some of us learn from our mistakes, others keep making them. Legislation to which Sen. Levin alluded, HR 1022, would renew the ban on so-called "assault weapons," and dangerously expand it to encompass far more perfectly legal firearms. For the Congress of the United States to even consider such legislation is an affront to every law-abiding firearms owner in this country. This legislation that Sen. Levin appears to endorse is written so broadly as outlaw not only firearms, but accessories, including a folding stock for a Ruger rifle. As I understand the language of this bill, it could ultimately take away my timeworn and cherished hunting rifles and shotguns - firearms I hope to one day pass on to my grandchildren - as well as millions of identical and similar firearms owned by other American citizens. It is clear to me that the supporters of this legislation don't want to stop criminals. They want to invent new ones out of people like me, and many of you, and your constituents, friends, neighbors and members of your families. They will do anything they can, go to any extremes they believe necessary, to make it impossible for more and more American citizens to legally own any firearm. In his final paragraph, Senator Levin misrepresents what I said. I never spoke in favor of a general assault weapons ban. Again, I immediately apologized for my blog statement that was exclusively directed toward hunting and not gun ownership. I will not allow my name to be associated with this kind of attack on the Second Amendment rights of my fellow citizens. A few weeks ago, in a letter to Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, I promised to educate my fellow hunters about this insidious legislation "even if I have to visit every hunting camp and climb into every duck blind and deer stand in this country to get it done." I will amend that to add that I will bring my effort to Capitol Hill if necessary, even if I have to knock on every door and camp in every office of the United States Senate. In promoting this ban, the Hon. Carl Levin does not speak for me, or anybody I know. Sincerely, James Zumbo Cody, Wyoming Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DHunter 1 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Yep, read that over at the NRA news site. Looks like ol Ted managed to set him straight about a few things, including the ramifications of the new assault weapons ban. I just hope he really does work tirelessly to show other fudds just how innerconnected we all are, even though our shooting disciplines & interests my vary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Boy is HE doing BIG TIME damage control.......Wonder if he really understands what he did or if he is just responding and flipping like a pancake because his income and livelyhood have been immensely affected.......I am not 100% convinced but I guess tim will tell.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I think he understands what he did, just not what he was doing at the time. He used words associated with the gun banning agenda to describe what he would have advocated as game regulations, which are completely separate, having nothing to do with private ownership. I applaud him for what he is doing now - Going after those people who are quoting him out of context and setting the record straight. I'd be interested to see how he's ultimately viewed by history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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