SaigaNoobie 66 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I was probably 2 weeks away from purchasing a Saiga .308 21" barrel version and having it legally and professionally converted by moving the trigger group forward and putting a thumbhole stock on it.... Then, on accident, I stumbled accross this: http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308v21.htm I registered for the site today just to post this information..... The Saiga .308-2 . . . American Version (.308 Ver.21) Coming in FALL 2007!!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes.... the .308-2, imported? No costly reconfiguration? No worry about whether the workmanship was reliable? A STOCK, FACTORY, PISTOL/THUMBHOLE GRIP CONVERSION!!!!!!!! Well, needless to say, I'm now at the top of the waiting list at a few of the Russian American Armory Distributors. I want one, I need one.... oh baby, oh baby. Now I just have to stick a Druganov look-alike stock on the back and fit it with some USA Scope Mount/scope and i'll be set to Jet. And alot cheaper than the conversions I had priced..... Now let's hope that These .308's are around the same price as their non-thumbhole brethren.... Anyway, Happy Hunting! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willie D 2 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Whoa! Sign me up! That looks great and would probably fit Vepr furniture if you could find it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 If it actually makes it here when they promise it, that will be the most impressive thing of all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 Looks good, but you can buy a drag style stock for $50 and a g2 trigger for $30. Me thinks that given the latest spurt of price increases you'd be better off to build it yourself at today's rate instead of paying top dollar for a hard to find variant later. Given that fall 2007 probably means spring of 2008, that's more time for the senate to work on making it illegal. Converting is no big deal to do it yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cryptkeeper 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) OUTSTANDING, ive been waiting on this now if they will only get some in a 16 inch i would be set for life or at least until the next income tax check LoL i wander if it will have a better trigger (hope) and any1 have any idea how much they will be? Edited July 3, 2007 by Cryptkeeper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dasu 1 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Other than the stock configuration and trigger set up, are there any other differences? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Notice the rear stock mount has a 45* down & right cut and isn't a 90* like most conversions? That's hot. And yes, I'd pay a little more for this gun over a .308-1 conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Thats the same receiver as your 30-06 used to have, SN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 As my name implies, i'm a saiga noob, so what are you talking about in regards to the same 30-06 reciever? Elaborate please, I don't follow you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Thats the same receiver as your 30-06 used to have, SN. Just checked out RAA's site and they are also releasing a 30.06. Saiga-100 Looks different though. More like a typical semi-auto shotgun receiver. Go to the like above and then click rifle. Looks like we will need to add another rifle topic soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
layer 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 (edited) The 30.06 Saiga 100 isn't new, is it? Doesn't someone like Dinzag or BRG3 have one? Edited July 8, 2007 by layer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildog1122 0 Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 My guess is this one will be around mid $500-$600. I bought my 21" synthetic stock for $359 + transfer fee $25 + stock, pistol grip, and fcg $100 = $484. I guess we just have to wait and see what the price on it will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 The 30.06 Saiga 100 isn't new, is it? Doesn't someone like Dinzag or BRG3 have one? I don't know. I have never seen or heard of them before but that doesn't mean much. I don't follow the rifles much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 The 30.06 Saiga 100 isn't new, is it? Doesn't someone like Dinzag or BRG3 have one? I don't know. I have never seen or heard of them before but that doesn't mean much. I don't follow the rifles much. Your loss. Yes, the 30-06s are here. They have an angle-cut receiver and a tang-less rear trunion, offering a superior trigger to the other unconverted Saigas. The downside - they have a lot of other stuff different too, if that matters to you. A conversion would be a huge deal. Tony did one in full AK config and the work was tremendous, so he indicated that he wouldn't do any more. This is mine. Never seen another wooden set for one anywhere in the world. (Course I haven't gone personally looking in Russia.) http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=14801 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
layer 0 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Man, you really do some beautiful work! I have been drooling over your wood ever since I first came to this forum. (Ok, that's just wrong) I hope I can get you to make a set for my converted S-308 one of these days! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willie D 2 Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I've asked this before but does anyone sell the Vepr furniture? It looks like it would be a perfect fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RDSWriter 5 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I were interested in stock furniture... I'd definitely go for the new version. If I was going to convert... I'd stick with the old style. The cut receiver and - most likely - more expensive price just don't make it worthwhile for a conversion. I mean... you'll never be able to use 99% of the AK stocks without more welding than what the old style conversion needs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) Indeed, and the fact that you'd still need compliance parts - they'd just be drop-in. Edited July 14, 2007 by BattleRifleG3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZIPPYBAR 0 Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 The Saiga 308 Version-21 is coming in the fall of this year. Should be here in September or October. It will retail below 500 dollars. That is as long as the russian price does not change. There is an initial supply of only 200 rifles. They will come in the long barrel length only. That is the only way they are made. This is the only information I have been able to obtain so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Does that angled receiver mean it's a milled part or in any way stronger than the standard version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I believe it's still stamped. Actually the only angle cut milled receiver I've ever heard of is the Valmet, and consequently the Norinco hunter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I believe it's still stamped. Actually the only angle cut milled receiver I've ever heard of is the Valmet, and consequently the Norinco hunter. Well, folks. I think I have an answer to this. In Russia, this is called "Saiga M" Saiga-M" - the modernized version of "Saiga" carbines having the following changes: the heavier receiver, elongated barrel (555 mm=21.8 inches), bolt with three locking lugs; http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saigam.shtml It does NOT have a milled receiver. However, it DOES have "Heavier" receiver. I presume that this will be pretty much Vepr Rifle = RPK, 1.6mm receiver. I hope that my guess is correct. I am more interested in having it in 5.56x45 then in 7.62x51. Hell, I would LOVE to have those BOTH:-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) I believe it's still stamped. Actually the only angle cut milled receiver I've ever heard of is the Valmet, and consequently the Norinco hunter. Well, folks. I think I have an answer to this. In Russia, this is called "Saiga M" Saiga-M" - the modernized version of "Saiga" carbines having the following changes: the heavier receiver, elongated barrel (555 mm=21.8 inches), bolt with three locking lugs; http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/saigam.shtml It does NOT have a milled receiver. However, it DOES have "Heavier" receiver. I presume that this will be pretty much Vepr Rifle = RPK, 1.6mm receiver. I hope that my guess is correct. I am more interested in having it in 5.56x45 then in 7.62x51. Hell, I would LOVE to have those BOTH:-) It would be nice, but I think Saiga-M's are only 7.62x39 and .223. The .308 is a Saiga .308-2 ( see http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig308.htm ) On a Side note, I wish they'd start Importing http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/tigr_h.shtml Edited July 24, 2007 by SaigaNoobie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TWGLADF 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 whoa! ya'll don't jump to any conclusions about the angle of the receiver just yet. remember, alot of your "butt-hole" stocks are angle cut on the sides and wrap around the receiver giving it the illusion that the receiver is cut at an angle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted August 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 (edited) UPDATE (And Thread Bump) Just talked to RAAC. He told me they're "On the Water Now" so they'll be in the country in a few days then through customs. He said Mid September. The two distributors of RAAC that will "DEFINITELY" be getting some are RSR and Gilbert's Guns. Only 200 are coming in. $450-500 Estimated Price. . . . I'm going to get one. Hopefully I can just drop-in a new trigger group and add US furniture. I want to be able to return it to stock.... I may not even convert the bad boy. Put a Bi-pod & Scope on it and go AS-IS. Hi-cap never really appealed to me anyway... 8 rds is plenty for this boy since I'm used to 5rd Mosins. Besides, I hope I'll only need 1 shot to do the job. When I get mine, I'll post pics with all the juicy details of rear-stock attachment, Range-report, mm thickness of receiver etc. Edited August 27, 2007 by SaigaNoobie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 As my name implies, i'm a saiga noob, so what are you talking about in regards to the same 30-06 reciever? Elaborate please, I don't follow you Weren't you the guy that bought that converted 30-06 from Tony? This gun has the same receiver configuration as that one. If I'm mistaken about your identity, pardon me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted August 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Nope, I'm not the one. I don't own a Saiga yet. The .308-21 will be my first. I'm looking into purchasing a .223 or x39 to go with the .308... maybe a .410 or s-12.... I need a second saiga which will be a conversion project, but I think i'll keep the .308-21 in stock config (Add scope and Bipod). Make the guys at the local range jealous that I have a factory Thumbhole Saiga. One of 200 is more rare than Russian Tigrs in US. Although it's not as cool.... Bipods and Scopes don't make a rifle "Unsporting" and require parts counts do they? Doesn't that only come into play when we change the configuration of a rifle (sporter to p-grip or Thread the barrel or add Hi-caps) ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 (edited) My mistake...probably was "SaigaNoob" or something similar. Sorry for the confusion. EDIT: it was "SaigaWannabe" I believe. Edited August 27, 2007 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratfood 0 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I hope when you say "only 200 are coming in" you mean in the first shipment.... I gotta get one of those Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I hope when you say "only 200 are coming in" you mean in the first shipment.... I gotta get one of those They only have 200 coming in the first shipment.... but after it was announced that Izshmas is selling 5000 new SVD's to Hugo Chavez, I'm worried that some political pressure group will ban importation of Izshmas weapons to pressure them into not supplying Chavez. Will that happen? Probably not, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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