topmaul 42 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 http://www.valtrousa.com/shotguns.html Should we be afraid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 http://www.valtrousa.com/shotguns.html Should we be afraid? How is a detachable mag legal in cali? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 http://www.valtrousa.com/shotguns.html Should we be afraid? How is a detachable mag legal in cali? +1, that's what I was thinking. Maybe because it's a pump? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Its possible because it was not specifically named in legislation just like the off-brand ARs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 hey, would those mags be steel? and would they slip into an S12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quinci956 1 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 hey, would those mags be steel? and would they slip into an S12? You beat me to it. I would probably buy a mag to see what it would take to get it to work in my S12. AGP's are great but another option would be good to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 In CT, I don't think there are any holdbacks on pumps. There is no mag restriction, and you can have every evil addon. I can't think of anything you can't have on one. But Saigas, you can't convert to pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mavrick16o 6 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 does any one know the price?? im kind of intrested Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 (edited) Back the first time these came out, they didn't fly, and the price was higher than a S-12 converted. The mags were thin metal. Of course this doesn't mean a thing now. ............I do know for a fact the factory S-12 mags will take being dropped on rocks and whatnot and keep running, the tin mags got dinged easily, then they wouldn't feed shells past the dented spot. Edited November 17, 2007 by VanKiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 hey, would those mags be steel? and would they slip into an S12? You beat me to it. I would probably buy a mag to see what it would take to get it to work in my S12. AGP's are great but another option would be good to. Nope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 alright, if I buy a pump shottie, Ill stick with a Mossberg Mariner... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris410 0 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 I've had one for a while, pretty nice, but no the mags wont fit a saiga, and they arent cheap or easy to find. The metal is thin and does dent, as has been stated. I have experienced this myself. An interesting shotgun though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 At nearly the price of a S12, and in pump form, I see nothing to fear. If nothing else, it might open up a few more s12's for those who prefer them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlexanMD 2 Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 does any one know the price?? im kind of intrested To answer you question: I held one at the Dayton gunshow yesterday, it was new for $600.00 There is also one up on Gunbroker right now for $475 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=85209517 I am not associated with either, just passing the info along. The mag felt pretty sturdy to me and the shotgun held just about like a Mossberg 500 with a stock. I really didn't feel any excitement with it, as it was a pump and I could have the same capacity without a long mag sticking out, from just about any shotgun of the same length. It is a 7rd capacity mag. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RMTactical 0 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Looks great, probably not any better than a Saiga 12 though... Edited December 13, 2007 by RMTactical Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motopilot1 37 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 whats the point pump 7+1 i have a 300$ mossberg that does the same thing no stupid clip in the bottom either i know it was already said but magfed shotgun does no good if you cant shorten in because of the pump i will stick to my s12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RMTactical 0 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 whats the point pump 7+1 i have a 300$ mossberg that does the same thing no stupid clip in the bottom either i know it was already said but magfed shotgun does no good if you cant shorten in because of the pump Well, you can reload much faster, but you can't top off quite as good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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