Vultite 57 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) My buddy came back from iraqi with a earfull of complaints on weapons, of course the usual problems with M16's in a combat zone with sand blowing in your face...but the biggest gripe was the use of the Benelli M4, not only did he get jams but to his suprize during some fighting time, he was shooting it rapid fire and the fucking spring assembly shot out of the gun, he didn't know what to fucking do other then throw the gun down and start up with the beretta....he was PISSED. Thinking this was a isolated event, he eventually got another one and the same fucking thing happend. after that he refused any shotguns that weren't pump. the funny thing is, benelli's own shotgun forum has a section with people with problems, and they have some factory inconsistancies, different # of ports of the barrel, so which # of ports you have will determine if your gun is reliable or not LOL. 2 ports, your ok, 4 ports, your in deep shit here's a quote from their forum "Anyway I've read some of the post of the M4 and the bolt failures. Well mine went out on me. The gas piston mushed the left side bolt face that it is deformed and is jamming the bolt against the rails and now is inoperative. The post I've read are several months old and never saw if Benelli came to a concolusion, or repair/replacement of the bolt. Thanks for any info or feedback. How about a number to call Benelli support?" Edited May 15, 2008 by Vultite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Has anybody heard anything good about Benelli autoloaders, outside of an advertisement? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Never had that problem with my Benelli. But then again, the one issued to me was brand spanking new. Lord knows what condition it's in now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gavnoleetso 11 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 I know its not a m4 ( super 90 base) but my benelli 121m1 is flawless, maybe thats because it is an inertia/recoil driven machine. I take that back, there is one flaw, it only came in a 2&3/4 inch model. oh well. -v- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quinci956 1 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 My buddy came back from iraqi with a earfull of complaints on weapons, of course the usual problems with M16's in a combat zone with sand blowing in your face...but the biggest gripe was the use of the Benelli M4, not only did he get jams but to his suprize during some fighting time, he was shooting it rapid fire and the fucking spring assembly shot out of the gun, he didn't know what to fucking do other then throw the gun down and start up with the beretta....he was PISSED. Thinking this was a isolated event, he eventually got another one and the same fucking thing happend. after that he refused any shotguns that weren't pump. the funny thing is, benelli's own shotgun forum has a section with people with problems, and they have some factory inconsistancies, different # of ports of the barrel, so which # of ports you have will determine if your gun is reliable or not LOL. 2 ports, your ok, 4 ports, your in deep shit here's a quote from their forum "Anyway I've read some of the post of the M4 and the bolt failures. Well mine went out on me. The gas piston mushed the left side bolt face that it is deformed and is jamming the bolt against the rails and now is inoperative. The post I've read are several months old and never saw if Benelli came to a concolusion, or repair/replacement of the bolt. Thanks for any info or feedback. How about a number to call Benelli support?" I had the same problem with one of our SWAT Bennellis. I corrected it by removing that stupid gadget that lets you remove the magazine spring and I slid an 870 follower in its place from the other end. The spring now stays in the gun where it belongs. I can imagine what he was feeling when his magazine spring came shooting out the front of the gun when he needed his gun the most. For close in the shooting spring is not a bad option. If you are lucky, you might put his eye out giving you enough time to beat him to death with your expensive imported club. One of the other Bennellis had both the front and rear sight fall off while shooting a string of fire in training. I had to drill and re-tap the receiver because the bolts that hold the rear sight sheared off. I silver soldered the front sight back on ony to have it fall off at the next training. I welded it in place and it is not going anywhere now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I have a M1 Super 90 and never had problems,of course,I have not been to war with it either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nuckinfuts 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 I have a M1 Super 90 and never had problems,of course,I have not been to war with it either. +1, mine has been flawless 3+ years, and I bought it used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Never had a problem with mine in 2003. But I've heard all the horror stories from folks online, and from 2nd parties who knew a Devil dog who said something close to the above. Just haven't heard it live from my fellow Marines back then. It's not like they would buy Saiga-12's on contract. Whether or not everyone wishes they would. Same stuff I hear about M16A2's, and M4's, and yet I can attest to those performing quite well at dispatching un-washed indigenous personel. Best way to find out is to join the service I guess. You can find out first-hand if the gear You take care of will work when needed. I can't say something negative about a tool that worked well for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I guess if you wait or live long enough, you will hear gripes about every weapon on the planet. But I have seen the Benelli spit out the spring myself! I'm going to let him know about your fix there madmilo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Are there any problems that people have seen with the s-12? Anyone's gas tube fall off? bolt handle detatch? Bolt deform? anything? I know there are sometimes issues with getting them running perfectly with all the ammo but besides a gas tweak, does anyone have a Saiga horror story? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
152dbs 0 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 mine isnt military, but its a Super Black Eagle. ive abused the hell out of it. used it as a push pole when going in the flooded timber in Arkansas. froze it solid then thawed it out for an evening hunt. dropped it in mud and sand and it has never missed a beat. when i clean it, i use choke and carb cleaner, let it dry then lube it with hoppes. got it from a farmer in TX. he won it in a raffle and sold it to me cheap b/c my browning BPS 12 was being a pain in the ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kelevra 1 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Are there any problems that people have seen with the s-12? Anyone's gas tube fall off? bolt handle detatch? Bolt deform? anything? I know there are sometimes issues with getting them running perfectly with all the ammo but besides a gas tweak, does anyone have a Saiga horror story? A valid question...! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) Recoil operated Benellis are super reliable gas operated ones must be a totally different animal. My ancient wood stocked,steel recievered M1 would digest any combat load without hiccup and I probably put several thousands rounds through the thing from 1987-2002 when I got my Saiga 12. My Saiga digested 4000rds of Sellier and Bellot 00 Buck without a single failure and that is why I became an early convert and phased out my Benellis Edited November 28, 2008 by SOPMOD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I have never been one to buy the Benelli mystique. I have always preferred the Remington 870 & 1100 for Law Enforcement usage. The main reason that it caught on in LE circles is that due to the fact it employed a recoil operated action it would work fine with a 12 barrel, something no 1100 will do without serious modification. From there the "cool" factor was a big reason for its spread. Personally I think that they have too many damn parts, like most guns the Italians build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Are there any problems that people have seen with the s-12? Anyone's gas tube fall off? bolt handle detatch? Bolt deform? anything? I know there are sometimes issues with getting them running perfectly with all the ammo but besides a gas tweak, does anyone have a Saiga horror story? None of mine have had issues with anything from the factory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macross40k 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) Out here in Iraq the pics I've shown of my fully converted S12 are definitely the envy of the crowd. No one I know who has an S12 has EVER had any kind of catastrophic failure. I've seen a couple FTFs from cheap light crap, but nothing else. Edited November 29, 2008 by macross40k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7.62smith 1 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 They should have stuck with the 590. Actually think of all the money our military would have saved if they would have adopted an AK variant battle rifle and never looked back! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfunkytown 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kinda wish they would build a Saiga factory here in the U.S. God that would be a fun place to work? Allso those firearms would be cheaper due to no import tax, or parts compliance issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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