SaigaNoobie 66 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Ok guys, here's the first look at Pro-Mag's S12 mags. They said they'll be on the market in a few weeks. This could mean October or December, I don't know. I know some of you have reservations about Pro-Mags, I own a few 7.62x39 Saiga Pro-mags and have had no issues with them. Let's be fair and see if they function and hold up well before anyone replies negatively. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I sure would like to hear how well they run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 The first thing I noticed: The Floor Plate attaches to the outside of the mag, and you can see the 5rd floor-plate spot about half way up. Looks like this means we could make a +2 or +3 mag extension for these rather easily (If there are no function issues) and turn a 5rd into an 8rd or 10rd into a 13rd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hell, with a MSRP of less than $20, I might get a few. Couldn't hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hell, with a MSRP of less than $20, I might get a few. Couldn't hurt. ??? $45.72.... Not $15.72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobotech 3 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Less than 20? I thought that the website showed that they were selling these for 42.00 or so? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gothmog 24 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hell, with a MSRP of less than $20, I might get a few. Couldn't hurt. Ok, you must have some serious hook up. I see them at $45.72 msrp. If you getting them for less than $20, I want in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I haven't personally been thrilled with the quality (or lack thereof) of Promag's other products, and their reputation in the marketplace ain't all that great. That said, having options is a good thing. Their external floorplate design lends itself to tinkering (though I would prefer an 8-rounder to start with, but they didn't ask me), and depending on how far the eventual "street" price is below the stated MSRP, they might provide an option at a lower price point than AGP as well. All that is assuming they actually work, which has been the sticking point with Promag in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Sorry, thought it said $15.42 MSRP. In that case, I will stand by and wait for reports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I'll probably get a couple to play around with. The floor plate reminds me of Tony's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Nice to see some competition in the market, but I have to agree, I will wait to see how the run. The world is full of cheap high capacity magazines that just don't work. I hope that these are good mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) It says they got a lifetime warranty, so that says something, doesn't it? Although it probably only covers defective workmanship, not necessarily functionality. Remember, competition is always good for the consumer. Think of all the Saiga 12 mag options we have now: Izhmash, Taiwanese, AGP, ProMag, MD Arms, and maybe Chaos or whatever else is in R&D. Edited September 23, 2008 by zakmatthews Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chiroone 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) It says they got a lifetime warranty, so that says something, doesn't it? Although it probably only covers defective workmanship, not necessarily functionality. Remember, competition is always good for the consumer. Think of all the Saiga 12 mag options we have now: Izhmash, Taiwanese, AGP, ProMag, MD Arms, and maybe Chaos or whatever else is in R&D. I am not sure the "life time warranty" is worth anything. After all; USA mags offer a life time warranty and their mags are infamous for their lack of quailty. Edited September 23, 2008 by Chiroone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) It says they got a lifetime warranty, so that says something, doesn't it? Although it probably only covers defective workmanship, not necessarily functionality. Remember, competition is always good for the consumer. Think of all the Saiga 12 mag options we have now: Izhmash, Taiwanese, AGP, ProMag, MD Arms, and maybe Chaos or whatever else is in R&D. I am not sure the "life time warranty" is worth anything. After all; USA mags offer a life time warranty and their mags are infamous for their lack of quailty. If you bought a magazine for $15 and it is defective, are you really going to spend $5 shipping + return shipping for another replacement that doesn't work either? Then your mag that doesn't work costs $25+! I'll wait to hear what people say about these before buying any. Edited September 23, 2008 by BuffetDestroyer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GhostStan 2 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 It says they got a lifetime warranty, so that says something, doesn't it? Although it probably only covers defective workmanship, not necessarily functionality. Remember, competition is always good for the consumer. Think of all the Saiga 12 mag options we have now: Izhmash, Taiwanese, AGP, ProMag, MD Arms, and maybe Chaos or whatever else is in R&D. I am not sure the "life time warranty" is worth anything. After all; USA mags offer a life time warranty and their mags are infamous for their lack of quailty. If you bought a magazine for $15 and it is defective, are you really going to spend $5 shipping + return shipping for another replacement that doesn't work either? Then your mag that doesn't work costs $25+! I'll wait to hear what people say about these before buying any. the mag cost is $42 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I am not sure the "life time warranty" is worth anything. After all; USA mags offer a life time warranty and their mags are infamous for their lack of quailty. Exactly. It's worthless if they just replace nonfunctional crap with MORE nonfunctional crap! Now, if the mag doesn't work properly and they are willing to issue a refund of the purchase price, that would be something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasdfs 5 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 They might work. They probably won't. Might isn't worth $45 to me. I've used two Pro-Mags in two different guns that are 100% with good mags (Sig P225 and an AK) and they've performed horribly. In my P225, I couldn't get through an 8-round magazine without two or three FTFs. Pro-Mag needs to hire for their next ad campaign. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I will buy one and give it a go. Remember that MSRP on the AGPs is 60, and you can get them in lots of 10 at $42 a piece, shipped. I would expect to see these at or under $35 within a month of their release. Also, ProMag has distribution contracts with lots and lots of companies, so these should be more readily available than AGPs are. If they do their homework and read this page, they will bring out 3 and 5 round extensions soon. the mags were obviously designed with this in mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7.62x39 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 They might work. They probably won't. Might isn't worth $45 to me. I've used two Pro-Mags in two different guns that are 100% with good mags (Sig P225 and an AK) and they've performed horribly. In my P225, I couldn't get through an 8-round magazine without two or three FTFs. Pro-Mag needs to hire for their next ad campaign. +1 I've been burned by promag before. I've got two brand new Glock mags from them, neither one will even chamber a round. I also have one of their Remington mags that will not go more than 5 or 6 rounds without a FTF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frankd4 1 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) A guy at the range let me try his they seem to work just fine ran ten shoots out as fast as I could pull the triger. This guy has a gum shop in Pompano Beach and does some beta testing for promag. Edited September 23, 2008 by frankd4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I will probably buy one or two if the reviews come in generally positive. I have doubts though a clear pro-mag 30rd AK mag jams in my saiga x39 and my romak 99.1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 If you consider the terrible reputation of Pro-Mag Vs. the AGP Mag which is a known product, plus AGP is a vendor here, I do not predict the Pro-Mag to make much of a splash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dyi 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Let's be fair and see if they function and hold up well before anyone replies negatively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 45 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 ...Let's be fair and see if they function and hold up well before anyone replies negatively. Like the man said, lets be fair and give ProMag a chance with these Saiga magazines before the negativity flies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 They are also working on Mags for the Saiga 20. Let's be fair, I have some AGP mags and one out of 3 i bought had a sticky follower near the top. I fixed it with some sand paper, does this mean AGPs suck? NO, I love them, but they are not without some flaws. Anyone remember when they first came out? WE haven't even shot these yet and already you disregard them. They may function just as well as the AGPs and give us an alternate. Plus if their 12s work, the 20s may too. Can we be positive on a new product instead of instantly negative? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 ...Let's be fair and see if they function and hold up well before anyone replies negatively. Like the man said, lets be fair and give ProMag a chance with these Saiga magazines before the negativity flies Oh, I hope they work well also! I am glad to see other manufactures jumping into the Saiga Market! On the other hand, as someone that has bought some of their past failures, I hold a license to make comment on their past reputation. They are welcome to make a full refund of my money if they would like to buy back that license. Some of us have already been, where you are anxious to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Yeah, somebody buy some of these so I can read your review! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 It looks like it has been constructed right in terms of feed angle and the lip clip. I don't think they could mess this mag up. They look very nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martinz 0 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I ordered two off their web site yesterday. I will post how they work as soon as I get them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maroast 1 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 First of all, wow. Those guys suck! On topic: I have two ProMags for my Bursa 380....and I have never had a single problem with them in like 500 rounds....but then again, they're only 8 round single stacks. I'll give um a shot with no worries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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