Frost 0 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) A SBS being out of the question for right now the length of the barrel with attachment matters. Inquiring minds want to know how much length do the following add to the S-12? Any help would be appreciated. DPH SAIGA 12 PHOENIX CLAW DOOR BREACH Attachment SAIGA 12 CROWN CLAW DOOR BREACH Attachment SAIGA 12 PHOENIX FLAME DOOR BREACH Attachment Saiga US 12 US Made Russian 10 Slot Attachment Adds 2" to length Saiga 12 RUSSIAN BIRD CAGE FLASH HIDER (this is the one with a knurled end) Tromix SAIGA 12 TROMIX COMPETITION BRAKE SAIGA 12 TROMIX FLASH HIDER SAIGA 12 TROMIX SHARK BRAKE Chaos Chaos Warthog Door Breacher Brake Adds 2 1/8" to length. The Chaos [s12WAVE] King Armory KA-1212BR breaching attachment Adds 2" to length KA-1212 brake/suppressor hybrid Adds 2" to length Edited April 21, 2009 by Frost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 This is an interesting question and one that I have been concerned about as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunner69 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 This is an interesting question and one that I have been concerned about as well. I Just bought the King Armory, KA 1212-BR, and will let you know how it works after I check it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Unless you actually NEED a breacher, I'd suggest going with one of the others. If you have to have the breacher, make sure you have a first aid kit. Not speaking from experience per se, but from observation! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) . Edited April 21, 2009 by Jpanzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=440 adds very little to length. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) The DPH Russian 10 slot w/o the knurled end is 2 5/8" total length. When installed the threads will take up 5/8" for a total added length of 2" added to the S-12 when installed. 2 5/8" total length 2" added when installed on S-12 I just received this unit on Friday 4/17 Edited April 21, 2009 by WESTONSECURITY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 The KA units are 2.750" long and add 2.000" to the length of the barrel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 As measurements are added, edit the post with the data. Just a thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frost 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Good idea. I am editing the original post as the information comes in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 I'm following this thread too. Here in MI, the overall length has to be 30" or over or else you have to register the firearm as a pistol, which I'd rather not do. I think that with a CSS receiver block and an ACE folding mechanism, the OAL with the stock folded is a tad under 30". I'd have to measure to be sure, but I want to say it's like 28.5" or 29" or something like that. So I'd like to have something put on my barrel to increase the OAL when I finally get it put together. It's currently stripped down to nothing in preparation for a refinishing job. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 This may help some. 4 SGM. 3 Tromix and 4 DPH. The Talon is missing and is the same size as the Claw. Greg 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Greg, Is it safe to assume that all of the MB's have approx. 5/8" of threads, so by looking @ the tape, just deduct 5/8" from total length to get the attached length? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Greg, Is it safe to assume that all of the MB's have approx. 5/8" of threads, so by looking @ the tape, just deduct 5/8" from total length to get the attached length? You are right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Sorry if this is a retarded question, but do these actually do anything other than look cool on a shotgun? I understand muzzle breaks with rifles, and directioal porting to counteract barrel flip, but aside from griping a door for breaching, what is the point of a break? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Sorry if this is a retarded question, but do these actually do anything other than look cool on a shotgun? I understand muzzle breaks with rifles, and directioal porting to counteract barrel flip, but aside from griping a door for breaching, what is the point of a break? If the SG brake is designed properly it will perform the same function as a rifle brake re: muzle flip and recoil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Yes, they will function if designed properly. BUT with the S-12 you lose the external threads for the chokes, Poly or otherwise. And, imo, the choke is more valuable than the comp on the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt78 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Unless you actually NEED a breacher, I'd suggest going with one of the others. If you have to have the breacher, make sure you have a first aid kit. Not speaking from experience per se, but from observation! Why would one need a first aid kit if he has the breacher? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Sharp points = Bloody finger or punctured leg........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 LOL yes the Shark points are sharp! Watch out for your upholstery as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gothchick 0 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'm sporting the Tromix M16A1 Style flash suppressor (or whatever it's called) and love it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Hi guys. I think I agree with SaigaNoobie that in most cases, you'd probably find more use for an adjustable choke than a flash hider. Still though, a good compensator is great if you're shooting heavier loads. Since I tend to shoot more value pack stuff (usually), I'd probably be better served with a Polychoke. I don't have ANYTHING on the barrel yet. Just the thread protector. Corbin Yes, they will function if designed properly. BUT with the S-12 you lose the external threads for the chokes, Poly or otherwise. And, imo, the choke is more valuable than the comp on the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I got the shark break but I haven't tried it yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Only 4 measurements so far, I would have thought that the whole list would of been filled with data. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I think it was Wakko here who established that muzzle comps on shotguns don't do much, due to the low operating pressures of shotguns, and very low muzzle pressure in particular. Ones I have fired with comps differ very little than ones without. Heavier loads will increase this some. Shotguns with pretty much full length barrels aren't going to have a lot of flash either, except with heavy loads. Mostly they look cool. For my next Saiga, I'm making a flash hider, and it will have a permanently installed internal choke tube, ImpMod, as that's about all I used when I had a Poly Choke on my first S12. It's a duplicate of the Smith Enterprises Vortex, directly scaled up to 12ga size. The only differences are the lots are straight angled instead of helical like the Vortex, and the suppressor mounting groove has a radius bottom instead of square. It's going to look cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goldeneagle76 24 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I know this is an old thread but could someone please tell me what the 7th brake from the left is? The big boy that looks like it should be on the end of a Barrett 50bmg. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-1356/Tromix-Monster-Mini-Brake/Detail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Tromix Mini Monster Brake. I have the Tromix Monster Claw, which is basically that brake, but with the breaching points for maximum awesome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Triggerhappy81 0 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Sharp points = Bloody finger or punctured leg........ Hm, not to be a jerk man but Iv always been of the mind to keep body parts away from that end o the gun...I mean my 1911 can bloody a finger or puncture my leg and it dnt have a breacher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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