Juggernaut 11,054 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Look, you don't tell Mods "Fuck You." I got no dog one way or other in the fight about mags.... Doc is the BEST of us here.... and don't deserve to be told to go fuck himself......by ANYBODY.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Look, you don't tell Mods "Fuck You." I got no dog one way or other in the fight about mags.... Doc is the BEST of us here.... and don't deserve to be told to go fuck himself......by ANYBODY.... +1. Law & Order. He was given fair warning and failed the intelligence test. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Criminalpoet you are about one post away from taking a vacation from this forum. Let's see how intelligent you are, or not. I tell you what, at the point your little buddy gardener snake 76 gets to take pop shots at me at will by making snide little remarks, and get away with it, but I respond 1 time and you threaten to kick me off of your forum lol, I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!! If you guys want to run a forum like the Obama administration, by kicking people off that dont agree with the views of the forum government, then I dont want to be a part of this forum anyways lol.... Now lets see how much of a TRUE AMERICAN you are, "or not"...... Do you want this forum to be one that displays and accepts diversity, or would you rather be an Obama supporter and implement Socialism here by declaring martial law and punishing the general public (your members and customers of your forum venders) for expressing themselfs in disagreement with one of your admistration? My comment is based on the content of this thread. The above response contains twisted logical fallacies and blurring of issues as well as unwarranted personal attacks. (The issue of steel mags surfaced several years ago and never came to fruition by the way.) If some snot tells me to go fuck myself without damn good reason perhaps they need to rethink their paradigm. The inmates do not run the asylum. The forum to me is not a pissing contest. People expressing themselves intelligently would be much preferred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) Criminalpoet you are about one post away from taking a vacation from this forum. Let's see how intelligent you are, or not. I tell you what, at the point your little buddy gardener snake 76 gets to take pop shots at me at will by making snide little remarks, and get away with it, but I respond 1 time and you threaten to kick me off of your forum lol, I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!! If you guys want to run a forum like the Obama administration, by kicking people off that dont agree with the views of the forum government, then I dont want to be a part of this forum anyways lol.... Now lets see how much of a TRUE AMERICAN you are, "or not"...... Do you want this forum to be one that displays and accepts diversity, or would you rather be an Obama supporter and implement Socialism here by declaring martial law and punishing the general public (your members and customers of your forum venders) for expressing themselfs in disagreement with one of your admistration? Why do you think that being told that you are way out of line somehow equates to the Obama Administration and Socialism? Forum mods are not the government, they represent the owner of the site, and enforce how HE wants HIS website to be represented. After all, Makc is the one who pays for this site. Seems like you are the one who isn't a "TRUE AMERICAN", as you have no respect for what can be done on or with one's own property. Back to the thread about mags please.. Edited May 9, 2009 by headshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Back to the thread about mags please.. Thank you sir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Criminalpoet you are about one post away from taking a vacation from this forum. Let's see how intelligent you are, or not. I tell you what, at the point your little buddy gardener snake 76 gets to take pop shots at me at will by making snide little remarks, and get away with it, but I respond 1 time and you threaten to kick me off of your forum lol, I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!! If you guys want to run a forum like the Obama administration, by kicking people off that dont agree with the views of the forum government, then I dont want to be a part of this forum anyways lol.... Now lets see how much of a TRUE AMERICAN you are, "or not"...... Do you want this forum to be one that displays and accepts diversity, or would you rather be an Obama supporter and implement Socialism here by declaring martial law and punishing the general public (your members and customers of your forum venders) for expressing themselfs in disagreement with one of your admistration? Jeez, where do we find people this stupid, I mean seriously, I would have thought Darwin would have taken him out of the gene pool long before he learned to use a computer... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) I have no problem with any new product, but here we were trying to compare nothing but the rumor of an idea, to established products! So there is some new guy with z e r o Saiga 12 experience thinking about making a mag out of steel. Or, at least, that is what some guy heard... Well excuse me if I don't throw all my plastic mags, that work fine by the way, into the trash and tell their vendors to go pound sand. Edited May 9, 2009 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) What I'd really love is some steel insert plastic magazines. Metal ones may be cool, but there are reasons that plastic can be better in some cases. Edited May 9, 2009 by csspecs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 What I'd really love is some steel insert plastic magazines. Metal ones may be cool, but there are reasons that plastic can be better in some cases. Amen to that! Glock magazines kick ass for a reason, the same concept used to produce Saiga mags would rock my world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannyfantasy2000 68 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 What I'd really love is some steel insert plastic magazines. Metal ones may be cool, but there are reasons that plastic can be better in some cases. Amen to that! Glock magazines kick ass for a reason, the same concept used to produce Saiga mags would rock my world. I don't imagine that would be hard to do either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I tell you what, at the point your little buddy gardener snake 76 gets to take pop shots at me at will by making snide little remarks, and get away with it, but I respond 1 time and you threaten to kick me off of your forum lol, I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!! If you guys want to run a forum like the Obama administration, by kicking people off that dont agree with the views of the forum government, then I dont want to be a part of this forum anyways lol.... Now lets see how much of a TRUE AMERICAN you are, "or not"...... Do you want this forum to be one that displays and accepts diversity, or would you rather be an Obama supporter and implement Socialism here by declaring martial law and punishing the general public (your members and customers of your forum venders) for expressing themselfs in disagreement with one of your admistration? What a load of crap. Look i have had my disputes with both members and buisness owners on this forum and that has not kept me from continuing discussion, or buying thier products. There IS a distinction between personal and profesional, and this person has blurred them both together. There is a long list of people on this forum that will instantly put aside personal issues in a second for a profesional problem. See Bvamp after a rant and he will be more than helpful, see Bounce after a rant and he will be more than helpful, see ME after a rant and I will be more than helpful. Dragging crap from one thread that turned into a train wreck to another is trolling. We're trying to move on from that BS together as a forum, hop on or move on. My personal opinion is that cobras initial comment that sparked retailiation on this thread was unwarrented and i think he conducted himself profesionaly. He kept emotions out of it, we hope your woman like hormones(my apologies to the ladies with thicker skins-its a saying you know what i'm saying and if your included) will allow you to do the same after you are allowed back. this place isnt that hard to get along in. Do make a effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnp 1 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well.....does this all mean that Jello mags are off the table? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well.....does this all mean that Jello mags are off the table? I don't see why it should. will the jello mags have metal feed lips though becaws i remember at one point that was a big issue with our preception of the surefires. Will the flexibility allow the mags to withstand 3" magnum forces on the wrong gas setting? I'm interested in this product tell me more... what about fitment issues... man my mind is swimming with questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnp 1 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well.....does this all mean that Jello mags are off the table? I don't see why it should. will the jello mags have metal feed lips though becaws i remember at one point that was a big issue with our preception of the surefires. Will the flexibility allow the mags to withstand 3" magnum forces on the wrong gas setting? I'm interested in this product tell me more... what about fitment issues... man my mind is swimming with questions. With the flexure issue with 3" mags, pre-freezing the magazines stiffens them against the sharp stress of that particular round. This of course assumes cryo-freezing, possibly with liquid hydrogen sulfide, or the like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I have no problem with any new product, but here we were trying to compare nothing but the rumor of an idea, to established products! So there is some new guy with z e r o Saiga 12 experience thinking about making a mag out of steel. Or, at least, that is what some guy heard... Well excuse me if I don't throw all my plastic mags, that work fine by the way, into the trash and tell their vendors to go pound sand. Its not a rumor, and CProducts has a great deal of knowledge in making and designing mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I have no problem with any new product, but here we were trying to compare nothing but the rumor of an idea, to established products! So there is some new guy with z e r o Saiga 12 experience thinking about making a mag out of steel. Or, at least, that is what some guy heard... Well excuse me if I don't throw all my plastic mags, that work fine by the way, into the trash and tell their vendors to go pound sand. Its not a rumor, and CProducts has a great deal of knowledge in making and designing mags. Oh, I am sorry, I did not understand that you actually work for CProducts, I thought that you were just repeating what you had heard, which would make it a RUMOR. Please post a picture of the completed mag, or at least a working prototype, or it is just an IDEA, like I stated. And frankly unless you can provide me one picture of a working and current C-Products Magazine that works with a large plastic, rimed, straight walled case, I question your assessment of their EXPERIENCE, in this area. Like I said, I support a vendor trying to bring a new product to market. But until they have at least have one working prototype I think that it is a little premature to announce that all the competition's products are crap and they are here revolutionize the Saiga 12! Basically, talk is cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 ...Like I said, I support a vendor trying to bring a new product to market. But until they have at least have one working prototype I think that it is a little premature to announce that all the competition's products are crap and they are here revolutionize the Saiga 12! Basically, talk is cheap. Especially with metal Saiga-12 mags which have failed before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 ??? Someone made metal saiga-12 mags before? Or are we talking about the drums made by AA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 ??? Someone made metal saiga-12 mags before? Or are we talking about the drums made by AA? Tried. Much noise was made, prototypes were shown, AGP beat them to market, the business folded, no metal mags were actually produced... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Tried. Much noise was made, prototypes were shown, AGP beat them to market, the business folded, no metal mags were actually produced... The molds for the metal mags were put up on GunBroker I believe, for a couple thousand dollars, but dunno what their ultimate disposition was. You would think if they had potential someone would have run with it and they would be out by now, making money hand over fist. Shows you it just ain't that easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaydar6 0 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 WOW!!!!! Larry at C-Products just barely a couple days ago mentioned the interest of the possibly in developing a mag for the Saiga. No prototypes yet, not working production models yet, most likely not even on paper yet. Heck he might look at it all and say screw this.... Criminal Poet kind of jumped the gun a bit, got a little too excited, and was disrespectful. Don't hate the idea because of him. If C-Products does make one that works, wouldn't that be good for the saiga-12 community? Another manufacturer in the market might bring prices down some too. Since i'm a complete noob here, and just finished my first conversion, and every question i had was quickly answered on this forum, i want to thank every one for their help. Everyone who see's my shotgun, wants one, and i send them here to learn about it. This Forum rocks..... Darrell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) No one has any problems with the idea... Just we have heard people say big things and many times it has not happened. Not a judgment of the persons involved, its just a really hard project. I'd love to see it... But at the same time I know it can go either way, awesome or crap. C-Products probably won't sell if its crap as they seem to be a good company. Edited May 10, 2009 by csspecs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I would be down for some, the only issue I see are S12's are not AR-15's, they are made by drunken russians and the specs are all different. I think metal mags may be kinda hard to make unless they were like glock mags or atleast have a steel insert like the MD-20 or the factory russian mags, I would love to have some high cap mags with steel inserts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billyjoebob 10 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 he only issue I see are S12's are not AR-15's, they are made by drunken russians and the specs are all different. I don't understand this. Granted, there are a lot fewer Saiga's being produced compared to AK's, but they are using all stamped parts off of an assembly line. How can there be such substantial differences between guns coming out of the same factory. There are other magazine fed semi-automatic weapons that are produced in far fewer numbers, and they use steel mags... What kind of mags do the russian special forces use? Are they factory polymer mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 WOW!!!!! Larry at C-Products just barely a couple days ago mentioned the interest of the possibly in developing a mag for the Saiga. No prototypes yet, not working production models yet, most likely not even on paper yet. Heck he might look at it all and say screw this.... Criminal Poet kind of jumped the gun a bit, got a little too excited, and was disrespectful. Don't hate the idea because of him. If C-Products does make one that works, wouldn't that be good for the saiga-12 community? Another manufacturer in the market might bring prices down some too. Since i'm a complete noob here, and just finished my first conversion, and every question i had was quickly answered on this forum, i want to thank every one for their help. Everyone who see's my shotgun, wants one, and i send them here to learn about it. This Forum rocks..... Darrell The above was the whole problem here. I don't think anyone here has a problem with a new product for their guns. Coming here promoting a mag that doesn't exist while crapping on all the other mags that actually do exist was the absolute wrong way of going about this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaydar6 0 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I completely agree. I hope they do take on the challenge of this. As far as fitment issues, i'm sure a file or a dremel tool would make the mag fit. just like you do with the others... i even had to modify my OEM mag slightly for better function.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I don't understand this. Granted, there are a lot fewer Saiga's being produced compared to AK's, but they are using all stamped parts off of an assembly line. How can there be such substantial differences between guns coming out of the same factory. There are other magazine fed semi-automatic weapons that are produced in far fewer numbers, and they use steel mags... * Insert favorite vodka joke here * Seriously, when they can't always drill the right number of gas ports or cut the barrels to the same length you're wondering why a mag might be different? :lolol: What kind of mags do the russian special forces use? Are they factory polymer mags? In every picture I've ever seen they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted May 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I have no problem with any new product, but here we were trying to compare nothing but the rumor of an idea, to established products! So there is some new guy with z e r o Saiga 12 experience thinking about making a mag out of steel. Or, at least, that is what some guy heard... Well excuse me if I don't throw all my plastic mags, that work fine by the way, into the trash and tell their vendors to go pound sand. Its not a rumor, and CProducts has a great deal of knowledge in making and designing mags. Oh, I am sorry, I did not understand that you actually work for CProducts, I thought that you were just repeating what you had heard, which would make it a RUMOR. Please post a picture of the completed mag, or at least a working prototype, or it is just an IDEA, like I stated. And frankly unless you can provide me one picture of a working and current C-Products Magazine that works with a large plastic, rimed, straight walled case, I question your assessment of their EXPERIENCE, in this area. Like I said, I support a vendor trying to bring a new product to market. But until they have at least have one working prototype I think that it is a little premature to announce that all the competition's products are crap and they are here revolutionize the Saiga 12! Basically, talk is cheap. I am repeating what I read from the OWNER of the company, and he also PM'ed me stating that he had some S12 mags to evaluate for the project. In regard to me mentioning anything else in regard to them in comparison to other mags...... I didn't. WTF is your problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Simmer down fellas, we're all on the same team here. Save it for the zombies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 One shit storm after another, over nothing, as usual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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