jmorris 0 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I've searched and read old threads about two different versions that both worked but either never made it into production or seased to exist. Does anyone have any photos of a LSBHO on a saiga12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 cobra76 has one.....he's just not showing anyone and keeping it to himself and laughing and pointing at all of us as he reloads his saiga with ease. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 There are some pics around here somewhere of the old Warwick Arms, Mike Davis and Cobra are working on their own designs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmorris 0 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I found the cobra and mike d threads but they all seem to have died before production. You wouldn't happen to have links to the photos whould you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I know Cobra is still working on his so just be patient. It's not like it is that hard to reload on a closed bolt it just takes practice. Also AKs have been without a LRBHO since the 50's so maybe we just have to do without. Obviously if it was an easy mod it would have been done to death by now. That being said if Cobra's LRBHO comes out and it is a solid design and I don't have to modify my mags to the point of ruining their value I will buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... Thats the best news I have heard this month Cobra! I am one of your fans just waiting for it to come out so I can go sell some blood and buy that puppy Good news indeed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fxhart 14 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 The prototype is at the machine shop now.... y Good news indeed! I love sarcasm... In most circumstances... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusader 64 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... But how is it posible? Do you modify or replace the follower? I already know that you are not going to tell me so I will just have to wait until it hits the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... But how is it posible? Do you modify or replace the follower? I already know that you are not going to tell me so I will just have to wait until it hits the market. There are a few ways to "activate" the LRBHO mechanism. The tricky part is getting that "way" to work in all the different mags and drums available for the Siaga. It also needs to be something the end user (or at least a DIY type) can install themselves. It needs to be affordable. I have had the chance to see it, operate it, and even make my own version of the "activator" for the LRBHO mechanism. It will be ready when it is ready and it sure as hell won't be rushed. For now I'm sticking to counting my shots and bumping the manual BHO with my trigger finger on the last shot to lock my bolt to the rear for the last round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusader 64 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... But how is it posible? Do you modify or replace the follower? I already know that you are not going to tell me so I will just have to wait until it hits the market. There are a few ways to "activate" the LRBHO mechanism. The tricky part is getting that "way" to work in all the different mags and drums available for the Siaga. It also needs to be something the end user (or at least a DIY type) can install themselves. It needs to be affordable. I have had the chance to see it, operate it, and even make my own version of the "activator" for the LRBHO mechanism. It will be ready when it is ready and it sure as hell won't be rushed. For now I'm sticking to counting my shots and bumping the manual BHO with my trigger finger on the last shot to lock my bolt to the rear for the last round. Yes, but how does Cobra 76 two tackle the problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... But how is it posible? Do you modify or replace the follower? I already know that you are not going to tell me so I will just have to wait until it hits the market. There are a few ways to "activate" the LRBHO mechanism. The tricky part is getting that "way" to work in all the different mags and drums available for the Siaga. It also needs to be something the end user (or at least a DIY type) can install themselves. It needs to be affordable. I have had the chance to see it, operate it, and even make my own version of the "activator" for the LRBHO mechanism. It will be ready when it is ready and it sure as hell won't be rushed. For now I'm sticking to counting my shots and bumping the manual BHO with my trigger finger on the last shot to lock my bolt to the rear for the last round. Yes, but how does Cobra 76 two tackle the problem? I could tell you but Cobra 76 says I'd have to kill ya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmorris 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hell, I'm just glad to get it stinking again. The last thread I found was started when rocks were soft and was closed over a year ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Like KrisFox, I too have been able to see how the different prototypes work. I haven't made one for myself though. I won't devulge anything except to say that based on what I've seen, people should be quite happy with it. The Warfield model required the gun to be machined a little, which (I feel) was a bit of a negative against it. I would much prefer the Cobra model. Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) I've managed to figure it out myself somewhat. I don't really have the resources to even attempt to make a prototype and I have no clue how to make it work with a drum. Edited June 23, 2009 by gkcf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaPD 408 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) I am happy to wait for a good solid design to come into the market, preferably from one of the vendors on this site. No need to offer up another shameless plug for Cobra or MD...oops I am just glad to see that this posting has 16 responses now and has remained civil. I still remember the last one Edited June 23, 2009 by GeorgiaPD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hell, I'm just glad to get it stinking again. The last thread I found was started when rocks were soft and was closed over a year ago. Yeah you're my hero j, thanks for making things stink again... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I am happy to wait for a good solid design to come into the market, preferably from one of the vendors on this site. No need to offer up another shameless plug for Cobra or MD...oops I am just glad to see that this posting has 16 responses now and has remained civil. I still remember the last one well put. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusader 64 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ^^^^^^^ What he said. Keep your pants on. The prototype is at the machine shop now.... When will it be released to the public? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doodi1 23 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Let's keep this one stinking until Cobra delivers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I heard that cobra has 15 mags all loaded with 2 rounds so he can enjoy his lrbho after every second shot. He then changes mags with ease while laughing at everyone else. Its sad. I'll be sending him my bolt for a good polishin' despite the fact he chooses to keep the super good stuff for himself (kidding of course.. r&d takes forever) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Now that the 3 gun guys have "Discovered" the Saiga, I know of at least 4 non-forum guys who are making their own models of LRBHO. It's coming, I've not seen the different models, and at least one is a solid lever device which does require machining to install.... And no, I do not have a dog in that fight. I've too many projects going now. The warranty work has become all consuming as far as my project time is concerned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Oh well.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
us_dragunov 11 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 After recently returning from another trip to Russia I will say that I made a point of it to play with a VEPR-12 while I was there this time and look closely at it's LRBHO which is the same setup that is on the Saiga-12S EXP-01 ver. 030 and the KS-K. While these guns all have a magazine well and utilize the special mags that are made for the well (or modified regular mags) I don't think it would be that difficult to adapt it (the LRBHO) or the regular mags to work with each other. The gun would require a little bit of drilling on in order to install this exact type of LRBHO, but nothing major. If someone doesn't come out with a good LRBHO product soon my friends (some of which are actual designers or fabricators in THE factory) and I may try and come up with something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 One question, will this much anticipated LRBHO work with the AGP mag well from Jack Travers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 After recently returning from another trip to Russia I will say that I made a point of it to play with a VEPR-12 while I was there this time and look closely at it's LRBHO which is the same setup that is on the Saiga-12S EXP-01 ver. 030 and the KS-K. While these guns all have a magazine well and utilize the special mags that are made for the well (or modified regular mags) I don't think it would be that difficult to adapt it (the LRBHO) or the regular mags to work with each other. The gun would require a little bit of drilling on in order to install this exact type of LRBHO, but nothing major. If someone doesn't come out with a good LRBHO product soon my friends (some of which are actual designers or fabricators in THE factory) and I may try and come up with something. Oh happy day.... thanks a lot. One question, will this much anticipated LRBHO work with the AGP mag well from Jack Travers? It should but I don't know. I contacted jack about this very thing as soon as he announced he was going to make a magwell, and he wasn't a bit interested.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bayonet lug 1 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I'll buy 2 of cobras LRBHOs for sure. 3 If it works with the izhmash magwell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Keep plugging along Cobra. If a noob can install your model I'm all over it! Edited June 23, 2009 by Jpanzer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hick 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 No doubt Cobra, you have my attention also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avnate 335 Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Ok, people you want answers well here is something to chew on. What does the following MSA products have in common........... S-12 magwell and .223 Conversion. Simple they have not been released. Why you ask........ because Shannon and I are in the final development stages of LRBHO. Both he and I have been busting ass trying to get this done and out to you and it is about done. I eluded to it before in the .223 forum and some of you caught it...... Please be patient, I know you all want it yesterday, last year and so on. A couple more months is not going to kill you. Yes a couple more months..... there are still finite details left to finish and he and I both want you to have a perfect working product. Some teaser features....... Complete drop in for the DIYer. No modification to the receiver. Adjustable to cover different mag types. If this doesn't interest you..... then move on and quit stirring the shit pot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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